Nintendo Switch Hardware Is Already "Couple Of Years Old" Compared To iOS Devices,Says Oceanhorn Dev

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-Foxtrot2465d ago

Lets not downplay the PS4/XB1 here to try and make this not as bad

Despite the mid gen upgrades they are still doing well 4 years on...I can't say the same about the Switch thinking about it

Fact is they shouldn't have done weaker hardware...again. Instead their focus was on a tablet over hardware power, an online system and chat. The tablet should have just been a successor to the 3DS released later down the road which you could just so happen to link to your console if you had one for cross play...totally optional

Neonridr2465d ago

yeah but this could be Nintendo's new strategy. Not spreading themselves over two pieces of hardware, this might be it from now on. They can have console and handheld teams working on the same projects since you can use it in either form. And as far as a handheld goes, it's pretty darn powerful. I don't care how powerful my Galaxy S8 is, show me a game on there like Breath of the Wild and I will keep quiet.

But when the PS4 released, it's graphics card was equivalent to a Radeon 7850, which was extremely dated in 2013.

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narsaku2465d ago

..I don't think you can say something is a fact when it's really just a subjective opinion. I personally think a handheld console was an amazing idea, and it goes very well with their stylized anime graphics as they are significantly less performance heavy.

The switch is obviously very popular. I for one love being able to lay in bed at night and play a real console game for 30 minutes. It fills a time gap that was forever empty for me with a fun activity.. Something Angry Birds like games only did for a couple weeks before the concept became boring and I never returned.

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ziggurcat2465d ago

@neon:

"yeah but this could be Nintendo's new strategy. Not spreading themselves over two pieces of hardware..."

... which is why they announced a new handheld mere weeks after the switch released?

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senorfartcushion2465d ago

No. Let's. PC gamers laugh at the older hardware used on the consoles. The Switch is a handheld 360, why are people surprised that the tech is old?

The Ps4 and Xone are being replaced with 4k machines. They wouldn't of with cutting edge tech because they would have the specs of the XoneX and PS4PRO already. So that means that the tech inside the ps4 and Xone are 4 years old after release but that is discounting the fact that PC gamers were saying it was old in 2013 anyway.

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_-EDMIX-_2465d ago

@neo-this isn't simply just a strategy by Nintendo this is something that they were very much financially forced to do.

When you're losing market share every single year by a ridiculous amount and you're selling 14 million units of a console it is very clear you cannot afford to keep wasting billions rolling out consoles people are not buying.

They have to go all in on the portable Market and simply have an HDMI attachment to maintain the small amount of Home console fans that they have.

In regards to being a handheld it's as powerful as the previous handhelds were in comparison to consoles ...

You had DS playing N64 games just like you had PSP playing PlayStation 1 games how is this really that different when it's playing a last-generation game like breath of the Wild?

When a handheld like the PSP released in 2004 it was very much playing games like Kingdom Hearts God of War Final Fantasy Grand Theft Auto very much to the actual graphical Fidelity that we saw from PlayStation 2 games at the time.

Even looking back now at the PSPs games it was very clear that what you saw graphically was almost indistinguishable from what you were seeing from PlayStation 2 if we actually played a video montage of PSPs games I find it very difficult to believe that anyone would be able to actually really tell the difference.

So having the graphical Fidelity of a current generation platform did not really have the PSP outselling the DS.

So I'm finding it hard to believe how the switch is going to knock it out of the park when the handheld itself is not even having the graphical Fidelity of current generation titles

I have no doubt in my mind that even if Nintendo made another console and had a hand held that the handheld probably would have been to the specs almost exactly like what you're seeing with the switch anyway

Nintendo then it simply just make some sort of hybrid like you guys are desperately trying to aim The Narrative they simply stopped making home consoles.

It wouldn't surprise me if what the switch is in regards to Tech is exactly what their next handheld was always going to be in the first place they simply just change the name and added the PSP cradle tv out add on that Sony added in 2009.

I would argue you lost a Home console more than you actually gained a hybrid.

We were always going to get a hand held by Nintendo. Nintendo handhelds are generally more powerful than the previous last generation systems.

This isn't simply Nintendo's new "strategy" this is Nintendo saying they cannot hang in the home Console Market and must go portable exclusively.

When you lost 170 million users and Playstation network is making more money than your entire company combined...clearly you have to make drastic measures that's what you're actually seeing from the switch

I literally predicted this several years ago based on how they financially were struggling in losing massive amount of users.

At the end of the day did Nintendo not cease making home consoles and literally just released a handheld that outs to the television?

Sooooo yea. As a person that's in business this was probably one of the easiest predictions I think I've made on the possibility of a company exiting a specific Market. (Lol next to Blockbuster)

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septemberindecember2465d ago

Why shouldn't we talk about the X1 or PS4 in comparison? If both of those consoles weren't cutting edge when they were released why would you expect the same from the Switch?

It isn't downplaying, it's making an apt comparison. If it looks bad that the Switch isnt as powerful as some pieces of technology now then it should have looked bad when PS4 and Xbox One weren't as powerful compared to tech of that time too.

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Weeblordbad2465d ago

lol edmix thinking you couldn't differentiate between the PS2 and the PSP. WOOOOOO that's a knee slapper to be sure. I'm also a little disturbed when people describe themselves as "In business" yet their writing skills are closer to a teenagers. OH WELL.

-Mainline Pokemon is coming to Switch
-Current 3DS releases are largely localizations or remakes (Mario and Luigi)
-SMT is coming to switch
-The next Bravely game is coming to Switch

The Switch has replaced the 3DS, and that will be their only thing going forward. There were quotes from February about Nintendo always working on different things that could in fact be the successor, but that always sounded like the "DS is the third pillar with the GBA and Gamecube" of 2004.

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CrimzonRazor2465d ago

they would have been better off just releasing their games on android and ios

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Matfox12465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Well take yourself bk to ps4 launch,poor online performance,poor frame rates,poor resolution ie WiiU had more 1080p native games,and screen tear in online matches of COD,then after about 6 months to a year devs started talking a bit better about it even saying its really powerful ect ect,basically most consoles have all sorts of stuff said about them in the 1st year and very little has any truth just devs with lack of experience on the given platform,Bethesda dev said when he saw a Switch demo it was the best he had ever seen,then that UE4 demo on Switch of that apartment is out of an actual game in development also Switch UE4 settings match ps4 so enough said,wait until about Jan 2018 and you will start to realise all these negative comments are just devs with lack of knowledge.

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wonderfulmonkeyman2465d ago

It's not downplaying, it's just the truth; compared to PC's, especially, consoles will always be a few years behind.
But sure, let's leave it to you to go ahead and say it's downplaying, while simultaneously trying to say it's "bad" on Nintendo's part, whenever someone says anything positive about Nintendo, rofl.

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Sono4212465d ago

The only thing I think is completely pointless on the switch is the touch screen.. seriously someone explain why it has a touch screen..

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LightofDarkness2464d ago

Bleeding edge mobile devices cost $700+, especially Apple devices. I can imagine what your "concerns" would have been if the Switch were priced equally.

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sonarus2464d ago

Nobody buys Nintendo for the hardware. They buy it for their quality ips like Mario Zelda Mario kart Pokémon etc. With Sony and Microsoft all too focused trying to one up themselves they have essentially left their game offerings more or less the same.

Nintendo is the only platform where u can play Mario or Zelda or Pokémon which literally has no title even close to comparable on PlayStation or Xbox. Nintendos class games are why people still get excited to buy old Super Nintendo and n64

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Kleptic2464d ago

objectively, the article is still off with it's headline at least (no interest in reading any more than that)

The Switch uses a customized Nvidia Tegra X1 SoC. I'm not sure of the cpu side of the Switch's inherent changes, but gpu side it's similarly clock'd and thermally optimized for what still remains the more or less most powerful ARM gpu available...iOS or not.

Apple's A10 Fusion SoC has a far better cpu, optimized for iOS and smart phone applications...but a generationally dated gpu based off of the A9X chipset, OC'd (Apple's SoC that released around the time the X1 did)...but of which can't maintain peak clocks for more than a single minute before thermal throttling. All in all both devices, gpu side, perform similarly. Apple's solution had theoretically higher peak peformance, but couldn't maintain it for long at all. The X1 had better resource allocation, and was easier on battery/heat issues.

yes the X1 is dated cpu side, but the Switch isn't running a major mobile operating system...it's running a similarly bizarre Japanese 'we still don't get the internet' nintendo OS/GUI, a trend that started with the Wii. All in all the switch is in no way 'a couple of years old compared to iOS devices' when it comes to rendering performance. It'll stand toe to toe with any Apple product currently released on that front.

Actually, to be totally fair, should be worded as 'both the Switch, and all current iOS devices, are a couple of years old'...as there has been very little gpu centric SoC improvements since 2015 on any ARM platform.

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_-EDMIX-_2465d ago

But the problem is the switch is even weaker and it's releasing years after the fact.

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Shiken2465d ago

Much like how the PS4 was weaker than affordable mid range PCs. Dont pick and choose, this is common.

Mobile games are no where near dedicaded handheld/console games, period. Your argument regarding power is obsolete outside of performance heavy PS4 games. And like I always said, PS4 owners actually have a reason to buy a Switch due to exclusives and vice versa. They can co exist.

So as long as the games keep coming, there is no problem...well they need to fix the voice chat. Seriously hate that idea with the app.

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_-EDMIX-_2465d ago

@Shiken- agreed.

Switch just needs to fix its online situation and Nintendo will be fine. They should have had a HUGE overhaul before this gen started and really looked at MS and Sony. The blueprint is right there.

IF they can even get PS3 levels circa 2006, I'll be ok. It lets me know they have a base that can grow of features.

PS3 2006 PSN is nothing like PS3 2017 PSN

Same for 360.

If Nintendo can get a great base of features to grow, they will be ok if they just keep updating it and look at this like the beginning of the future of Nintendo Online..NOT simply "Switch online". That is a big deal and it shows that the company might not even have real commitment to such a feature.

I feel this needs to be looked at like a real, seriously investment by them, if they want consumers to feel the same.

You can't ask a user to care about something, you don't either as a company. Its something that is telling and many users can sense. Nintendo needs to make it very, very clear that this is what they will have for the future for ALL of their platforms, if they don't, they are only hinting that this isn't really something they are talking seriously.

The market share lost by them, they need to be bold, they need to make bold statements cause they can't afford to just keep slipping up like this after Wii U and 3DS market share loss.

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Matfox12465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

It may be less powerful but Switch uses geforce and is more modern,also Switch gets so close to ps4 graphics in its 1st year that to say ps4 is more capable is not true,all I know is ps4 with Fifa14 and compare that too Fifa18 on Switch exactly the Switch shows it has better graphics tech by far,ps4 can only dream of performing like this 4 years ago its because it has took 4 years for ps4 to reach current graphics and took Switch less then a few months.

Switch is basically super more capable then the power it displays basically you can't just compare power like you used too with Switch,everyone is just looking at numbers and reading into it WRONG.

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Matfox12465d ago

Devs were calling ps4 too weak in its first year so what....

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Omnislashver362465d ago

Shiken

This is retarded, you're comparing PS4 to a mid range PC, but we're comparing Switch to a PS4 here.

Switch came out after PS4 and is weaker, that's the problem.

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FITSniper2464d ago

@Matfox
Not sure what game you think gets anywhere close to PS4 on the Switch. Even if the resolution matches, the details don't. Sorry but the Switch is nowhere close the PS4. If nothing else it doesn't have the RAM to do so.

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Shiken2464d ago

@Omnislash

No, the difference between the PS4 and the mid range PC is comparable with the difference between mobile devices and the Switch. The Switch is a handheld that can play console caliber games and output to the TV, the PS4 is a home console.

Get your facts straight and think before you post and proclaim things as "stupid".

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VariantAEC2464d ago

@Shiken
You once wrote long ago: "Mobile games are no where near dedicaded handheld/console games, period."

Problem is when PS4 and even when Xbox One launched there were games that showed the power of these systems compared to their much more powerful PC counterparts... Spoiler: games like DRIVECLUB showed PS4 wasn't weak at all in fact it wasn't until more than a year later when games on PC caught up in the visuals department qith games like Battlefront which also managed to look almosy every bit as good on console while retaining a 60 hertz refresh rate too!

In reality it took years for more powerful PCs to match console quality visuals... Again! Not only that but GPUs from back when PS4 and Xbox One launched are wholly incapable of matching console quality visuals, resolution and framerates in newly released games. Why is that?

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Artemidorus2465d ago

Dragging even older consoles into the argument serves no purpose to what is being said.

Nintendo seem to be using older and lower spec tech for a while but optimise them the best they can with new inventions, ideas etc.

I personally want Nintendo to bring out a powerful console and provide the regular games on a bigger level.

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indyman77772465d ago

Dragging older consoles into the argument serves a purpose it exposes the hypocrisy of holding Nintendo to a higher standard.

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Xx_Pistol_xX2465d ago

And the Switch which just came out is still behind these outdated consoles that came out 4 years ago. So it's super outdated

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bluefox7552465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Yeah, but those consoles are STILL powerful enough 4 years later to play the latest AAA third party titles. Something the Switch was unable to do right out of the gate. I know a lot of Nintendo diehards completely dismiss third party support, but I think it's a mistake for Nintendo to ignore it again. They seem to think indies and 5 year old titles like Skyrim will make up for it, I'm not so sure.

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Bahamut2465d ago

Don't downplay their shortcomings. It is what it is, its hardware is lacking. But they have great first party games.

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KuroKiko2465d ago

T R I G G E R E D NINTENDO fanboy.

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Michiel19892464d ago

Wrong, when xbox 360 released it was pretty much a cutting edge pc, How times have changed though.

modelgod2464d ago

"Compared to IS devices"

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Foraoise2465d ago

But the Switch is stronger than any iOS device LOL. Nice clickbait.

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EddieNX 2465d ago

Except the best Ipads lol.

indyman77772465d ago

Thats right people arent comparing PS4 and Xbox one to the best PC. But they have not trouble holding Nintendo to a much higher standard and showing hypocrisy.

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Segata2465d ago

Ipad is twice the price.

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Vits2465d ago

Not really.
The newest Ipads and Iphones are more powerful in terms of hardware. But they are not optimized for gaming so the Switch might have some leverage in that particular department.

maybelovehate2465d ago

Actually they are optimized very well for gaming, as far as the hardware. The API's are as well but they are Apple specific.

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Vits2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

@maybelovehate
Honestly, I do not have enough experience with the PowerVR solutions used by Apple so I can't really compare their features directly with a Nvidia solution. And that is precisely why I said the Switch "might" have an advantage in that department.

So if you have any literature on the subject that you can share, I would be grateful.

DashMad2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

@maybe
no it's not for small game yes but bigger game are not. IOS overhead is bigger than switch made the resource for gaming smaller and also IOS App size limit is 4GB you wont find Apps bigger than that on appstore. maybe you should wait for Iphone 8 maybe they throw away that limitations.

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Bluemaster772464d ago

The most powerful Ipads are also 2 - 3x more expensive than the switch

Kleptic2464d ago (Edited 2464d ago )

Gpu side the Tegra X1 and Apple's A9x or A10 (they use the same gpu, the newer one OC'd but only last's like a minute before throttling back to A9x levels) are comparable. The differences between them are down to API's and game optimization. The X1 could pretty much do anything those mentioned Apple gpu's could, and vice versa, so it's more up to developers...I think it's safe to assume that Nintendo and it's devs would be able to ring out a particular gpu more than freaking Gameloft or some other 'big' mobile game developer.

Cpu side...night and day...Apple handed Nvidia their hat on that front before the X1 released (nvidia couldn't even get a decent LTE or gps radio to work properly in said SoC, hence the push towards gaming and tablets...never phones) , but like mentioned...The swtich doesn't run iOS,...either way, calling the switch or an X1 'years old' compared to Apple devices, specifically gpu side...is incorrect.

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babadivad2465d ago

No it isn't. It's actually weaker than the stronger iPads. Maybe even the up coming iPhones as well.

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_-EDMIX-_2465d ago

I don't even really understand what you're trying to debate

They're literally saying a piece of Hardware is for a fact more powerful than another piece of Hardware, that is not subjective, it is a fact that you could look up at the iPads are very much stronger than the switch.

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mixelon2465d ago

iPad Pros compare favourably with x64 based laptops. Of course the switch is weaker, spec wise.

It’s also a lot less expensive. 😅

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mixelon2463d ago

ImGumbyDammit: Right ok, whatever you say random internet stranger!

https://www.google.co.uk/am... - comparing favourably to a fast i7 based laptop, but with much better battery life.

The benchmarks agree, the performance is great for the form factor. (Especially comparing to ultra portables like the MS Surface) just look up the benchmarks or the ars deep dive.

I do commercial work on my iPad Pro sooooo.. Procreate is no little app pretending to be a productive program. And it multitasks like a boss on iOS. Nor is Sketchbook pro or the Adobe suite. It’s not the best for everything and everyone, but the iPad Pro is a hell of an artist’s tool, particularly.

Allsystemgamer2465d ago

Um. The switch is basically a google pixel.

bluefox7552465d ago

No it isn't, lol.

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OpenGL2464d ago

It's definitely not stronger than the latest iPad Pro or even the iPhone 7.

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CrimsonWing692465d ago

How is this news!? I mean seriously, you put up a story that the Switch is really underpowered?

The Switch is an underpowered machine and will eventually suffer for it when high-end looking games come out that it can't run even downgraded because the cost to develop won't return through sales.

Then it'll be another machine you just play 1st party Nintendo games on and hope the next console will at least be competitive in some form.

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TheEnigma3132465d ago

I think it will continue to sell. It will be a secondary console though behind PS4.

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yellowgerbil2465d ago

As a new switch owner I can tell you the power is not noticeable when you got it in your hands and are enjoying playing Zelda while relaxing in the tub or in the car.
Zelda is better than any game xbox has made hands down, and few could be held up even on the ps4 (horizon and last of us and uncharted)
Skyrim is garbage compared to how creative and real Hyrule feels. I am only 2 hours in but I have already chopped a tree down to bridge a gap between areas without any hand holding, the game truly is a masterpiece, and the future is bright for the Switch

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nitus102465d ago

Saying Skyrim is garbage compared to Zelda BOTW is really asking for disagrees.

I guarantee that more people have played Skyrim to date than people will have played Zelda BOTW in the lifetime of the Switch and the WiiU (effectively dead now). Yes, Skyrim is not perfect but then again no game is except for those people that are blinded by nostalgia or hype.

Note: To date, there have been 19 releases of different Link/Zelda games. How's that for milking a franchise and people laugh at Microsoft for milking Halo, Gears and Forza.

BTW. I have played and enjoyed the Zelda games from Legend of Zelda (1), The Adventures of Link (2),
A link to the Past (3), Orcarean of Time (5) and Windwaker (10) (GameCube - the last Nintendo console I purchased). You should also note that I have only played the console versions since I have no real interest in handhelds.

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Einhander19712465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Exactly nothing is bleeding edge tech at release, but it's all about the games nothing on iOS or android compares to what switch is delivering.

Officialxandr2465d ago

This. Love my Google Pixel, but the Switch destroys it; in terms of gaming.

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Allsystemgamer2465d ago

Which is funny because the switch pretty much is a google pixel.

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Prince_TFK2465d ago

Can't say that here on N4G. Beside PS4, everything else is sh*t.

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VariantAEC2464d ago

Guess Tegra X1 wasn't cutting edge when it launched either?
How about the first OLED screen? Was the first computer cutting edge, or car, AC cooling, AC electricity, the first wheel? Being "on the cutting edge of innovation" means your the first and or the best for a long time. The first people to make something that people can use are "cutting edge".
The Nintendo switch is not cutting edge. PS Vita was cutting edge because it was ahead of the game with particular regard to overall computational power in the mobile space. Switch is not ahead in any way. Not in resolution, framerate, computational power, features, portability, battery tech (a must for the feable Switch battery). Where did Nintendo spend it's money? Oh right, they spent it on removable controllers which were already available elsewhere before Switch existed too.
Anyway Switch is competent compared to last gen... same is true on mobile phones but phones are showing their power over Switch.
You know how PC took years to have a laptop that could beat PS4... Well the same month that Switch launched the Galaxy S8 toasted Switch.

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CptDville2465d ago

And none of iPad games ever released came close to the quality of Zelda BOTW. And playing on an iPad inst confortable. And Apple already failed on console segment.

_-EDMIX-_2465d ago

Until they do.

What you need to be careful with its do not be surprised when developers start making games for steam the iOS latest iPads in the switch.

If they start using that combo technically speaking the switch would be the weakest in regards to Quality.

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GameBoyColor2465d ago

People have been saying that for years lol. It's not gonna happen. Mobile devs are lazy

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_-EDMIX-_2465d ago

@Game- https://www.youtube.com/wat...

So...understand, when ios in terms of phones and android phones keep getting more and more powerful, they will start becoming more options for ports.

In fact you've seen lately many games with ios and android options.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

So....current gen? No. running the best tech? No.

But consider, neither is Switch.

"Mobile devs" might be "lazy" in terms of the ones that EXCLUSIVELY make mobile games, but what happens when developers are making PC and console games and realize a phone or ipad can support their game even with minor tweaks? Understand, not all games are made to MAX OUT systems.

Mind you, never said anything about "mobile devs", I said... " for steam the iOS latest iPads in the switch" ie all of them combined. ios, Switch, Steam, android etc. Many games are already doing this.

So....to pretend this can't happen is a bit stupid.

Yet Wii U games are on the go, yet you are doubting that a MORE POWERFUL tablet can't have something better then what is on Switch?

LMFAO!

Buddy, stupid people also stated GTA couldn't be made on phones, but then again....they are thinking with a 2003 mindset and not a 2013 mindset.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Someone is for a fact going to make something, on a phone or tablet that is more powerful and impressive then Breath Of The Wild.

History tells us that by default this will happen. I don't know why anyone would be so dumb as to doubt such a thing, yet also praise Switch for doing the very thing, they are now ironically doubting a MORE POWERFUL PHONE CAN NOT DO! LMFAO!

Its beyond stupid pal

Give it a rest please. This has nothing to do with "mobile devs", developers who make games on many platforms will likely make something that is beyond Switch on a phone, heck beyond PS4 and XONE.

BY DEFAULT it will happen. That is how technology works kid.

You of all people should know this, are you not playing Breath Of The Wild on a portable? Something that is on Wii U, a console?

But wait, something MORE powerful can't do that? OH cause it doesn't say Nintendo, its not feasible huh lol is this the logic we are really going with?

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indyman77772465d ago

@_-EDMIX-_ "If they start using that combo technically speaking the switch would be the weakest in regards to Quality." Yeah JUST like when you compare PS4 and Xbox one x to the latest PC.

The whole compare Nintendo to a high cost machine and dont compare PS4/xb is hypocrisy at its core.

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_-EDMIX-_2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

@indy-it doesn't really matter because in your comparison of course the PlayStation 4 is the weakest of the bunch

your point?

How is that hypocrisy? This article has nothing to do with the PlayStation 4 Xbox One or PC so I'm not entirely sure why you're bringing it up.

I mean I'm telling you right now in pure English that yes the PlayStation 4 would actually be the weakest out of that combo.

I still don't really understand your point so you're mad that were talking about Nintendo switch in a Nintendo switch article? 😂😂😂

We could talk about the PlayStation 4 being the weakest out of a combo of the Xbox One X in a supercharged PC in an article that actually has to do with that and I'm still going to agree with you that the PlayStation 4 would be the weakest because that is not a subjective concept that is an objective one for a fact it would be

so exactly why are you upset on the topic of this article? Also why are you desperately trying to change the topic of the article to something completely different?

I mean what does it make any sense is if you understand the PlayStation 4 would be the weakest out of the combo that you listed why is it impossible for you to understand this which would be the weakest in the combo that I listed? That is once again the topic of this is it impossible for you to understand this which would be the weakest in the combo that I listed? That is once again the topic of this article

Stop deflecting.

@Gam-what do you mean nothing has happened? Grand Theft Auto series in regards to 3 Vice City and San Andreas run on phone, Bioshock even released on mobile phones those were all games on console.

I mean you're literally getting games that are coming to iOS that are also on the Vita Playstation 4 and switch....

I mean you could look up the footage for yourself .

I mean put it this way what you're saying is as stupid as saying you're never going to see Grand Theft Auto V on a telephone I mean are you as dumb as to ignore Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is on a phone? So why do you believe something won't happen when history right in your face is showing you it's happening in will likely continue to happen?.

I mean that's probably why you're purposely ignoring the links that were shown in even ignoring the logic behind console games that are now on phones.

The games we see today on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One will be on phones in the future.

You might want to accept that especially considering you ironically bizarrely support the switch even with it playing last generation games on a portable, so why are you now pretending a phone can't play a console game yet a portable is playing one right before your eyes? ie switch playing breath of the Wild. So selective memory? 😂😂😂 28514;

Talk about hypocrisy.

GameBoyColor2465d ago

I mean, people have been saying console like quality games would reach mobile since smartphones became a thing. Yet still nothing has happened, you get ps2 games and some point and click adventures that look nice but that's about it lol. You are saying what everyone that is an advocate for smart devices have been saying for years but end up waiting for those games that will never come.

it's ok though, have fun playing clash of clans in 4k on your ipad lmao

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maybelovehate2465d ago

Aren't they releasing Zelda on Ipad

_-EDMIX-_2465d ago

lol

Someone is going to do it.

They've done it for all major Zelda titles.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

But idiots are still pretending its not feasible, while also loving the Switch.....a portable playing Wii U games, but yet....another portable that is stronger suddenly play a Wii U level game, even despite being STRONGER THEN THE SWITCH!

You can't make this dumb up.

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kangolkyle2465d ago

Nintendo's business model has literally never been about using the most advanced tech though. It's always been getting the most out of older hardware to sell for cheap.

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edeprez2465d ago

Never? Were you alive before the Wii released?

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TheEnigma3132465d ago

If you're talking about gameboy, yes. Home consoles, no. That's started with the wii.

kangolkyle2465d ago

Okay, I'll recommend this book to you both:

"Shigeru Miyamoto: Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda (Influential Video Game Designers)", Jennifer DeWinter

It goes into great detail about Nintendo's design philosophy with respect to consoles, beginning with Hiroshi Yamauchi. From their days manufacturing arcade cabinets, that has *always* been their MO.

The gap between consoles may have grown and shrunk over the years, but it has never been Nintendo's aim to have cutting edge hardware.

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Fishy Fingers2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

I'm sure they can run Angry Birds at a higher resolution if that's what you're interested in.

But nobody is going to finance, develop, optimise and release anything of any substance on iOS comparable to something like Zelda.

mixelon2465d ago

Zelda is in a weird AAA class with a few other games, but iOS does have some fine ports in the end, XCOM etc.

I like a lot of the weird more experimental stuff that comes it’s way anyway.

LoveSpuds2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Exactly, the fact is, a game like Mario, Splatoon or Zelda demands a high purchase price given the cost of making the game, most iOS users would never, in a million years, pay more than a few pounds for any game, let alone £30 - £50.

That market just doesn't want to support games developers in the same way the typical console/PC gamer does, they expect to pay a few quid tops for a game.

Gwiz2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

That's supposed to be revealing?these systems are designed well ahead of production.
The PS4 and XB1 were already older tech back in 2013 (hence why you see these upgraded variants to take a next step in performance and visuals)The Switch was never going to deliver a similar experience to that of a console.
(Edit: to that of the other consoles my bad)

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nitus102465d ago

If you are comparing high-end PC's back in 2013 then yes I would agree with you but even today most PC's sold today are either mid to high range PC tablets or laptops which still don't meet the performance of the PS4 or the XB1 for the price. Sure a high-end PC with something like an i5 or i7 processor, 16GB and up memory as well as a high-performance motherboard and graphics card will, but you are going to be paying for that.

BTW. A PC gamer will quite happily pay for a high-end desktop which is upgradable. Building a PC gaming rig on the cheap while doable is really poor planning since if you are willing to spend some extra money you can build a decent rig that will last for many years without any need for upgrading unless you must have the latest and greatest toy.

SinisterKieran2465d ago

i agree its not powerful.
but please say he isn't comparing oceanhorn 2 to zelda because from the gameplay footage, it really doesn't look good.

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nitus102465d ago

I have played Oceanhorn on the PS4 and it is sort of Zelederish Windwaker meets Minecraft without the digging and building. In addition, the game has decent smooth graphics with none of this retro pixelation which I personally find annoying.

As far as gameplay goes I rather like Oceanhorn and this is from someone who loves the Souls and Bloodborne games.

BTW. If I want pixelated retro graphics I would go play an NES or SNES game.

DanteVFenris6662464d ago

I liked ocean horn not many games try to make a Zelda type of game. However the sequel looks a bit too ambitious and I feel it's going to do worst based on what I've seen

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Batzi2465d ago

And smartphones' battery life, specially iOS devices sucks for gaming, something that the Switch is doing better not to mention the games on Switch won't be on iOS devices which is all that matters honestly.

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Simmo3D2465d ago

Pointless article. Moving on. All consoles are behind when their released, especially compared to a mobile phone which gets updated with the latest specs every year.

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TheUndertaker852465d ago

Name five mobile phones with better hardware compared to Xbox One & PS4 overall.

It's not possible to list five.

There are however more than five with better hardware compared to Switch.

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Weeblordbad2465d ago

And that will matter very little in the long run, unless you bought a Switch thinking Battlefront 2 was going to be on it I'm curious what the point of downplaying the Switch is? THe flaw of also comparing the Switch or phone/tablet hardware to a console is power. The Tegra X1 has a TDP of 15w, the launch PS4 was 250w, the Pro is 310w. They both have very different problems to face when it comes to energy used and heat generated, expecting them to fall within the same strata when it comes to average "graphics" produced on the system is insane.

Comparing them is insane.

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mamotte2465d ago

Are you comparing full consoles with phones? Why don't you compare consoles with a PC? That has at least some sense.

TheUndertaker852463d ago (Edited 2463d ago )

Story comparing Nintendo Switch to iOS devices: Check.

User proceeds to insinuate other consoles come out underpowered compared to "mobile phones": Check.

The difference is that compared to multiple "mobile devices" only one of three consoles is surpassed by "mobile devices".

@Weeblord: Matters so little you're attempting to talk power supplies in an effort to downplay Switchs other specs. Even your power supply argument would lend to Switch being lower than average. 😂

@mamotte: I'm sure trying to introduce PC to the topic will make this all better. Ya know. Since One X will launch with higher than average PC specs. PS4 at least manages average. Switch would literally be under average in that department.

narsaku2465d ago

..There will soon be a time where, "at least for stylized graphic performance easy anime like games", where more powerful hardware no longer has a point. It's already not that far off from now with the Switch.

I'm personally really happy with my switch, even now it sees more use than my PS4 on my 75 inch tv. It's simply too easy to pick it up and put in a half hour.

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EddieNX 2465d ago

Agreed, my XB1S is just a Netflix device. Nintendo focus on Gameplay, but the games still look great even compared to XB1 and PS4

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V0LT2465d ago

N4G would be nice if it wasn't for all these stupid articles and was about actual game news. It is like 90% of the stories are just trying to stir the pot.

FPS_D3TH2465d ago

Well it is basically a tablet with some of the most trash online support so that's expected. Does that mean we're going to get skyrim on iPhone soon?!?!?!?

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nitus102465d ago

Be quiet about that you may give Bethesda Game Studios an idea.

Well at least we won't be seeing "Skyrim the Pachinko experience" anytime soon (err maybe). 😉

FPS_D3TH2464d ago

I wouldn't put it past Todd Howard. After that, Skyrim scratch tickets!

XStation4pio_Pro2465d ago

remember when i said i got my switch and it felt about like my iPad (thats two years old)....

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indyman77772465d ago

Remember when I said I got my PS4 PRO and said it looked like my PC(thats two years old).

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WickedLester2465d ago

I wonder how it compares to something like the Samsung Galaxy S8 with the Qualcomm 835 Snapdragon.

indyman77772465d ago

I wonder how PS4/xb compares to something like the 1080 gpu with a I7 5770

WickedLester2465d ago

LOL I seriously doubt the differences are THAT huge.

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saint_seya2464d ago

You should wonder how the Switch compares to a vainilla PS4 or even to a Xbox one..
Guess that would be the right thing to do, but outch, that would hurt your fanboy feelings :(

GameBoyColor2465d ago

I wonder how the prices compare

indyman77772464d ago (Edited 2464d ago )

Yep glad you said that. It is part of my point people are comparing an expensive IPad's to $300 SWITCH so lets be fare and consistent, and compare an expensive PC to a CONSOLE.

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Nucler1002465d ago

Damn

RosweeSon2465d ago

Give me Mario Kart 8 with proper buttons and we can talk I love my iPhone and the games are a great bonus but yeah good luck getting mario Kart 8 or Zelda on an iPhone.

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SuperWeird2465d ago

My iPhone cost $800. Switch cost $300. You get what you pay for. But only the Switch offers a full gaming experience, and for the price it easily outperforms my iPhone when it comes to games.

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jagermaster6192465d ago

Plain and simple if you think it's not powerful enough for you then don't get it. I'm having tons of fun with it, it performs great and the games look good! I haven't owned a Nintendo console since GameCube and I can safely say it's worth it.

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RetroGamingBlog2465d ago

A big bunch of nothing. An indie dev's comment on hardware means nothing in context to what's happening in the market. 4.7 million units shifted is phenomenal. People want to play games on the Switch and the fact an iOS device has stronger hardware is as relevant to the PS1 needing to be more powerful than the N64 to make it successful.

It's about what people want. They want games for the Switch, not mobile. Implosion being a great example where it failed on iOS, it's succeeded on console.

Plus an iOS device is £700 - £1000 depending on what model you purchase. 🤔

Better off buying a PC if you're that fussed about power.

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LIGATURE2465d ago

Duh,like who didnt know the soc wasnt like three years old😂

Smokingunz2465d ago

Really!? So the latest is is more powerful than a wii u then? I think not, I refuse to believe that.

rataranian2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

How dare you say something bad about the Switch. Its obviously years ahead of technology. Its has Zelda and its portable. It has games that are so good that they keep releasing them over and over on every system and all you have to do is pay for them 50 times. Have I mentioned its portable? Graphics dont even matter ok. This is beyond anything. It can make you feel like your have ice cubes in a glass! GAWD! What more do you want? ps: its portable.

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RomanPSX2465d ago

But an iPhone cost 700 a switch 300.

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Istolla2465d ago

Wait, so we care about what the Oceanhorn developer has to say now? I guess someone posted this to offset the positive Nintendo news today.

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indyman77772465d ago

Yeah when Oceanhorn was talking x1x up over PS4 pro people were like its a Indie dev they say anything to get a favore. NOW all the sudden what they say maters! I was wondering if anyone else noticed that.

plmkoh2465d ago

It really doesn't matter how 'powerful' a platform is, if ti doesn't nurture the right culture of developers you end with trash games after more garbage. Just look at the recent SuperData Research on top 10 games and compare it to the 'old' consoles.

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TheEnigma3132465d ago

I agree. I think the Xbox one x will be a flop. And it will be the most powerful with no games.

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Istolla2465d ago

When any console launches it is already underpowered compared to PCs, so what's the point. The 3DS was also more underpowered than any smartphone and yet tons of titles were released for it. With a large enough install base developers will make software for the Switch and that's all that matters.

CrimzonRazor2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Ive said a along that people would have a better investment buying a new tablet and hooking it to their tv with a hdmi cable, the switch isnt worth the investment and most third party dev's already said they wont support it. A year from now its going to be another Nintendo shovelware machine which I think was their plan to begin with.

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tactfool282465d ago

Funny, a guy talking shit about Nintendo... Yet obviously takes inspiration from Zelda...

The reason switch sells better for games than iPad is because of several things. Switch is optimized for games, phones aren't, Nintendo is great at dominating the handheld and niche gaming market. They create memorable characters, who is created by apple??? Does apple even have a main gaming IP? No one gets a phone or iPad to just play games, they get it for the Apps.

Clickbait article to bring attention to a Zelda knockoff. He's probably mad that Oceanhorn ain't selling on the system as well as he'd hoped. Here's hoping the next one will be good on it's own two feet, and not rely on being a "Zelda" game for iOs users.

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DaleCooper2465d ago

Yes it is. Yes, I still love it.

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Enigma_20992465d ago

... and yet it has better games on it.

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gedden72465d ago

Yeah I wanna see a iPad or iPhone run super Mario Odyssey at 60 fps...

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Bronxs152465d ago

Sad. Nintendo saw Sony and Microsoft and turned and ran.

Everyone says competition is good for the consumer. But that's only when companies actually compete. In this case it's like Nintendo waved a white flag and moved out.

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GameBoyColor2465d ago

They went on a different plane as they watched ms burn and sink after it got shot down by sony.

X1x will flop no matter how powerful it is. Just look at the ps4pros sales for a reference lmao. Nintendo made the right decision to go a different route and is already making a good amount of profit.

kaiserxblue2465d ago

OK and ps4 and xbox one areold compare to a 2014 PC, your point?

-Gespenst-2465d ago

Who cares? Did Square need a PS4 to make Chrono Trigger? Nope. Who cares if a console isn't powerful? That doesnt mean it can't offer great experiences - which is all that actually matters. I mean Breath of the Wild is probably GOTY, and it didnt need to be an Xbox One X game to earn it. Let's start caring less about the "tech" and more about what people do with it.

TheOttomatic912465d ago

Well they're not wrong.

Emme2465d ago

Personally, I dont really care about portability. I dont spend time on the train, and I got better things to do before sleeping, like come down and read a book. To me, the portability is to Switch what many considered a useless gimmick to Wii U, the gamepad. Instead, I would have preferred a modern standard console that has at least the graphical power of an Xbox One. Also the strange voice chat concept is awkward.

segamaniaco2465d ago

And people keeps saying that switch is the most powwrful portable device yet
Tsc tsc

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il-JumperMT2465d ago

iOS Devices are could of years old compared to Android.

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Matfox12465d ago

Switch has a more modern gpu then ps4 even Redout dev has said nothing matches the Switch's gpu at current,also he said normally you identify power with big numbers well not in Switch's case he said you need a new measuring stick for Switch power implying it is heavily custom and super capable,devs that say these crazy things are just devs that listen to rumours rather then going off actually testing how far the hardware can go,I mean Skyrim on Switch looks better then ps4 by far in my eyes,ps4 when it came out had devs calling it weak left right and centre so ?

Segata2465d ago

So? Switch has a real Zelda game so who cares about this ripoff game with awful animations.

bumsick2465d ago

So if it was an apple device, it would be completely obsolete and customers would be forced to upgrade to the "new" model by way of shoddy updates ;)

phickpisseh2465d ago

As you can see ... you don't need the best hardware if you have the best games.

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corroios2465d ago

Whats the news here? Its weak and overpriced. Their games show that. The diference for the wii U is small. Nintendo is just smart by doing cartony games full of colour and no kind of AA. Thats why the lack of big support from 3rd party. It wont change.

The switch is a Wii U portable. Of course if some try to sell it like a home console is just sad. There wont be no evolution on games, because its max out from day One. Even with Zelda it struggled...

Same here are tying to compare it to the PS4, lol. They are wrong, what they should compare its with the PRO, because the PRO is a 2016 console and the Switch its a 2017.

Of course if people accept that the switch is a portable machine, what it is, then is the best, because it doesnt got competition.

LoveSpuds2465d ago

Not to be a Nintendo apologist, but I don't give a damn about iPad, i want to play Zelda, Mario and Splatoon.

As a fan of Nintendo's software, i would love for them to make a conventional console that can hang in there with their competitors in respect of 3rd party, as it stands, i look at Nintendo consoles as supplementary to my PS4 and PC.

I am playing the shit out of my WiiU again at the moment, trying to play everything that interests me on the platform before I pick up a Switch for Mario in October.

gamer78042465d ago

but the power of iOS and switch combined make the ultimate chat experience! whooohoo! (fine print super fast voice: ...not applicable for those who don't have iOS or android phones, can't use your phone for texts or even checking notifications without the chat stopping)

CyberRekkr2465d ago

IOS doesn't have the games that Nintendo has either so who cares about iOS. Oceanhorn ripoff of older Zelda games. I own all the systems and let me tell ya the best game that I have play is breath of the wild. Even better than Horizon for ps4 and I really liked a Horizon.

zb1ftw7772465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

And yet the games are more enjoyable than any game I've seen on the PC.

PC might have the hardware, but the games are a snorefest.

purebennyc2465d ago

Who cares? I think the reception the Switch has had shows that it's the quality of the games that matter more than the hardware

deafdani2465d ago

Show me any mobile game with the quality of Zelda BOTW, Splatoon 2, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Arms, the upcoming Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade 2....

I ultimately don't care how powerful any game device is, but how good its games are. Mobile games are 99.9% shit.

OpenGL2464d ago

This shouldn't really shock anyone, Apple and Samsung usually go pretty bleeding edge with their SoCs so its unrealistic to expect Nintendo to have a mobile device that's as powerful. What the Switch actually has over the iPhone is physical controls and games that gamers actually want to play.

yomfweeee2464d ago

I really loathe these comparisons to phones and tablets when it comes to gaming. The device might have more powerful components, but it isn't capable overall of playing the same kind of games. There's no way the greatest iOS device that exists today could run Breath of the Wild.

Supernintendo852464d ago

Idk. Anyone can say what they want about graphics power, but Angry Birds sold millions and made Rovio a top company. It truly is concept over graphics. The convenience of a smart phone does have a play in this, but regardless the switch is doing good no matter how much people complain about it, The system is appealing to who it appeals to. It's not going to win everybody over.

superchiller2464d ago

Nope. Once people realize that there will be very few 3rd party games on the Switch, due to its inability to match the current generation consoles, sales are going to stagnate just like they did with the Wii U. Just a matter of time.

JunMei2464d ago

Ummm duh. All console hardware is a few years old when it releases. Only mobile devices are typically on the bleeding edge.

Chexs19902464d ago

The amount of people triggered by the title, is delicious.... *Grabbing the popcorn ^^

trouble_bubble2464d ago

Doesn't it need an iOS device or any cell phone just to do voice chat? Ya that's old.

Elda2464d ago

Smh.

quenomamen2464d ago

Nintendo never spends more than it has to on hardware, last time they did that was on N64

Nightcyberspud2464d ago

Sorry Developer you can talk when you actually make games that don't blatantly rip off Nintendo's own IP's.

Exare2463d ago

Lesson Time:

Since the days of Gunpei Yokoi (creator of the GameBoy) Nintendo's product philosophy has been, "lateral thinking with withered technology". This means that they encourage innovative, sideways thinking to come up with new ways to use dated but affordable technology. This encourages the creation of fun products that are priced below the competition.

The Switch for instance is a perfect example. It uses a chip that's more than a few years old (but is still more than capable) to power a unique idea in the form of a console/portable hybrid.