@Artemidorus i think you mistaken what you said will be true about the scorpio when that comes out it will show very little difference between it and PS4 Pro

This is what I love about Sony.....

The studio is defunct, why would anyone in their right mind think that their games would be upgraded to PS4 Pro?

Save yourself a couple bucks and buy the older PS4 when everyone unloads and you can get a good deal.

Money is better spent on the console that will see a much bigger difference in power, Xbox One -> Scorpio, and still be faster than the Pro, and will be able to utilize your new 4K TV with higher resolution games and UHD playback.

Or just get a Scorpio and be done with Sony. The whole DriveClub debacle is a slap in the face, and then Sony goes out and bars EA Access, prevents cross-play with Xbox, and prevents mods (like on Fallout 4) while raising the cost of PS+.

Now Sony won't even bother supporting their own new console, PS4 Pro. Sony truly didn't leave PS4 Slim/Standard user behind, they instead gimped PS4 Pro. I guess you get what you pay for.

Vote with your wallet people! Vote with your wallet! #4theplayers

@donthate...isn't your name cynical? Just saying.

Exactly. Vote with your wallet. Nothing wrong with the existing PS4 and a great opportunity getting into it when more used boxes will become available. And while the PS4 pro won't see immediate massive upgrades (it still runs current games faster and more stable, user interface and all that will benefit from the 500MHz clock upgrade also), framerate will be more stable, and dynamic resolution scaling will probably always reach to full 1080p (while there aren't really a lot of games out which do that) - without patching any games. And that for roughly $50 more if you are in a market for a new machine. Just add a 1TB drive to the entry level PS4 (or XB1S) and you would totally miss out on that for JUST $50 more. 500GB runs out fast, I wonder if I should upgrade my standard or just trade it in against a Pro. It does not have any negatives vs. the Standard model, but it will only get the benefits in the long run. Scorpio is a year out. If you guys are lucky. the Pro will prepare a 4K market by then so you will actually have games to play on that machine. Or are you saying by some magic, the Scorpio will all of a sudden run existing XB1 games with new feature without patching?

Extra power? I have 10 TFLOPs in my PC

@ Artemidorus

The ones who's dreams are going to be shattered by the reality of Scorpio are going to be the ones putting all stock into it 12+ months ahead of time (based on a single number and PR claims), and the same ones that believed in the lies of cloud processing and DirectX 12 to save the XB1 from inferior experiences. Sony's hardware-based checkerboard rendering method is going to bring the image quality of upscaled 4K so close to native that it's going to be painful. Just like it's painfully cringeworthy to look back on the embarrassments that argued "the power of the cloud", DX12 and hidden GPU secret sauce.

But I'm probably not going to have a 4K screen so I won't care and will continue to play amazing looking supersampled 1080p games, with richer scene detail and improved frame rates.

People can boast 4K all they want, but who didn't have a 1080p screen in 2013?
Can't say the same about 4KTVs.
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@ Donthate

Damn.... the PS4 Pro really is exposing the Xbox fanboys and undercover shills like nothing else. Lack of an EA vault, mods and cross-play that XB1 is not going to get anyway, is definitely going to annoy the small percentage of gamers that ACTUALLY care about it, to switch to Scorpio.

Honestly, what you gonna bring up next? Lack of a non-gaming UHD Blu-ray drive? How about things like, you know, GAMES.... the things that Sony has more of and that are better?
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@ moldybread

King Disingenuous Liar is back. Aside from the bunch of games Sony has announced, and the mandate for PS4 Pro games from October onwards..... the messaging for PS4 Pro is stronger and more honest than Scorpio's that's for sure. The flip-flopping executives of Xbox have talked about "uncompromised 4K", whilst saying that not all games will be 60fps (which is a compromise), whilst committing all their first-party games to native 4K over higher-detail and better frame rates (the things they claimed to value more before Scorpio was announced), and thus third-party devs will experience compromise too. Xbox as usual, has way worse mixed messaging, but you're not bothered about talking about it. You'd rather throw shade at Sony.

@voodoo.

2 different cases here.
i bought drive club, yes some people waited for the free one.

Hello Games isn't owned by anyone, if they closed shop it would have been at their own dicision, not sony's

Lol at Death spewing troll comments on everything Sony related.

Maybe if you Microsoft fans didn't allow Microsoft to bend them over so much without speaking up they'd perhaps have a chance of outselling the PS4.

that launch was really, really bad.

lol people act like Sony closed the studio to put them on punishment. Sony doesn't exactly have endless funds laying around, and sometimes decisions have to be made to fit their financial responsibility. If you want to fund them, I'm sure they'd be willing to entertain your proposal.

Ah yes.... Good old Death - the fanboy who pretends he's not.

Downplays Microsoft closing Lionhead Studio, where the staff didn't even know about their job losses or the studio closure until it was publicly announced it for everyone on the Internet to see. Those guys didn't deserve that treatment or for their game to be cancelled for nobody to be able to play it outside of beta trials. But... Microsoft.

Yet.... Talks about Sony closing Evolution Studios after one bad launch, even though Sony gave them plenty of notice for their redundancies and respectfully ensured that the whole team could go on in tact with the same company name and culture over at Codemasters, and make amazing racing games together again, on all platforms. Sometimes things don't work out, but there's a right way and a wrong way to handle closures.

And there's a clear cut way in which Microsoft handles things, compared to Sony. One is respectable and the other is despicable and rancid. You only have to look at their recent history, including things like expectations put on the developers of Phantom Dust and the ongoing Lionhead treatment.

Really, you even had the gall to LIE about the DriveClub VR project being cancelled despite no evidence supporting it. What does that say about you or the validity of what you go around saying about Sony and their direction? Not much in all honesty.

Would be interesting to see where Microsoft would be today if they let their studios make new IPs and trust in their vision over a number of years. You know... instead of closing down 8 of them earlier this year in one foul swoop and thus having the fewest first-party studios they've had in years. That is better for the Xbox brand though...... right?

What about all those delays of first-party Xbox games, that Sony gets all the attention for, but Xbox fanboys ignore in their own back yard? What about all the failed new IP this gen at the hands of Microsoft? What about the pre-requisite of being an Xbox fan in 2016, and having wait 10 months for a quality AAA exclusive to hit their box?

Seems like Xbox fans - like you Death - go blind for these things, and many would rather boast about a console they aren't close to knowing even a fraction about yet, and a non-gaming Blu-ray drive that makes use of a TV they didn't care about having until Microsoft told them it was the future, about 15 months ahead of time.
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@ Death (continued)

MotorStorm Apocalypse also had a poor & unfortunate launch too in 2011, and didn't do well for Sony.
MotorStorm RC's reception might be worth questioning too.
This is not "one bad launch", but why am I not surprised to see you pretending it is?

DriveClub VR wasn't reported by anyone that would have actually had a source. I thought you pride yourself on that. Usually you are the one to try and outsmart others by digging up facts and links, so that's not convincing of an excuse you've used either. You made it up yourself and/or spread a lie that was nowhere confirmed.

The rest of my post (of course) you don't wish to address, but deflect on me, because you know it's all true and yet you don't want to admit it, or expose the double standards of the Xbox fanboys that you love to defend. Reminds me of Gangsta_red, cause that's exactly what he does too. Focus on what you think you can outsmart, and ignore the rest and make the argument about good ol' DR, rather than your own disingenuousness.

@DR,

The closure of both studios sucked. EVO shouldn't have been closed after one bad launch no matter how you want to spin it. The launch of DC was horrible, but I don't regret buying the game. DC:VR was reported as being cancelled, not something I "made up". Glad to see its coming out.

The rest of your post is typical DR. Thanks for the reply.