@thorstein
Well you're doing a terrible job at countering when you're sort of proving my point. Accept it or not, she was in a skirmish against her first stormtrooper and was able to hit him squarely in the chest (from a considerable range, mind you) with only her second shot. And then whips around to take out another from considerable range. Before Kylo Ren shows up, she's gone 2 for 3 in successful blaster shots. Remind me how that's not being good with ...
"All stormtroopers were NOT clones of Boba Fett."
First, you mean Jango Fett, not Boba Fett. That was already established to be the case during the originals so I'm not sure what you're going on about. There was previous-canon stuff that addressed this and there's new stuff that brings this up now.
One thing I need to repeat over again in regards to Rey: "practically flawless."
I'm not saying that every story beat has her as some perfect being overcoming her emotions and all that. But if you were to look squarely at how the story progressed with her handling almost every situation on her own: fighting, flying, saving Finn from that monster through tech ingenuity, to Force powers against a stormtrooper + resistance to an almost Sith Lord, and so on. Even ...
As far as I'm aware, Rian isn't that heavily involved with IX. He's writing the film treatment, but the Jurassic World guy is directing.
@thekhurg
"So you're saying Looper and 3 episodes of Breaking Bad is more memorable than everything Abrams has done?
Really??"
I'm including his other directed works like Brick as well. And it's nice how just asking a question back to them and then saying "really?" can somehow be considered an argument.
@-Foxtrot
You actually missed Rian's direction work for Breaking Bad I...
There's no news of it being completed yet. Heck, there's not even any news of Rian Johnson's Episode IX treatment being handed in yet.
Have you seen Rian Johnson's past work? The guy's done more memorable stuff in half the time Abrams has been in the film industry (imo).
@thorstein
So, the 'worst' attribute you can prescribe to her is shooting...which she does a better job at than the trained stormtroopers since she's able to kill a couple of them?
And using a staff to hit enemies is going to translate well to using a lightsaber against a wounded man, armed with a lightsaber who's been trained by Luke Skywalker and Snoke? Just look at some of my above comments to get a clearer picture of what I'm presen...
Same here, Stringer. It's nice to have lively discussion on the series. I feel like I'm in a weird position here too b/c I am excited to see where Finn, Rey, + BB-8 go from here. At the same time, this is one of my most clearest points of why the 2nd half didn't captivate me quite like the 1st half.
"And Luke / Anakin weren't super talented?"
I'm not suggesting other characters like Anakin are entirely off the hook either. But Luke? Have we watched the same original trilogy? How many times did Luke NEED saving within the first movie alone?
-Tusken Raiders
-Cantina Bar where guy would've killed him
-Leia's smart thinking with trash compacter
-R2-D2 trash compacter
He clearly shows flaws...
Before I dive into the meat of this I want to preface this by saying I don't want this to sound response to sound condescending or rude in any way. You're a chill poster 100% I see you across the sites so I don't want this to carry any animosity. Anyways...
When you start dissecting my bulletpoints down to "would you rather she not have a dramatic story?" you've missed the point of my original post by a country mile. It's not that having some ...
@Lord_Sloth
Even then, it's still really stretching the canon to fan fiction territory. For over a decade now, fanboys have been carping on and on about midichlorians and how that stuff ruined The Force and here we have someone who conveniently understands some Force powers + lightsaber combat after only just hearing voices connect with her?
With that aside, even with taking that consideration that doesn't mean having an excuse within the movie mea...
"Mary Sue would be more so somebody much less skilled at survival than she was."
As I stated, this is why the trope is seen as contextual. Special pleas like being much more skilled at survival isn't something that handwaves the trope away for most people. Check my 2nd comment below: it's not being highly skilled at SOMETHING in the movie but in EVERYTHING depicted in the film. This is the key point some are arguing is the writer's self-insert as a me...
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"So, when a girl is a bad-ss, then she must be some sort of cookie cutter archetype?"
Umm...no? Do you understand what a Mary Sue is in the context of storytelling?
"Being good" at SOMETHING (like she is at the beginning) isn't the issue...it's being good at EVERYTHING. Sure, harsh environment breeds tougher people, but when you're able to resist a TRAINED Dark Jedi's physic ...
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The problem is the term's become contextual at this point. Even with that considered, you can't deny she hit A LOT of the marks of that kind of wish fulfillment:
-the usual beautiful-looking/strange name stuff
-she's talented to a staggering degree, and I'd say canon-breaking ways too
-she's practically flawless as a character
-dramatic backstory
There's ...
@Soldierone
Oh, I agree. I don't mean for my first comment's tone to suggest otherwise.
Stuff like the new Battlefront game have also made it clear genders didn't really matter with Empire. It was non-human races Palpatine seemed to have an issue with.
Will be?
It already has with Captain Phasma, plus I believe (but not entirely sure) one of the new-canon EU books brings up female stormtroopers, even before The First Order.
Whether from the originals or prequels, funny creeps it's way in there:
-A New Hope puts C-3PO + R2-D2 to great comedic effect quite often.
-Revenge of the Sith has some genuinely good comedic spots, typically around Palpatine.
Is it at all possible to not deal with one populated comment section on Ep. VII digging at the very person who MADE the series?
Well...it's not like Episode 1 didn't garner such positive reactions and ardent defense from fans back in the day either. Just saying.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Limited Edition of this.