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Microsoft considered launching Halo Infinite in pieces to hit 2020 launch

Speaking on Garry Whitta's Animal Talking Twitch chat show, Xbox boss Phil Spencer revealed that discussions took place between himself, Halo developer 343 Studios boss Bonnie Ross and Xbox Game Studios chief Matt Booty about potentially shipping the game in separate pieces.

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IRetrouk1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Its good that ms realised gamers were not going to put up with what they showed, but this statement rings false to me,

"Let's get out the news out there and deal with it, because people are making their own life decisions on consoles they're going to buy," Spencer said. "I guess somebody else might have waited but when we knew, [we] put the blog together and I said let's put it live."

You seen the same thing we all seen phill, you would have seen this footage way before we did, you said everything was going great, best halo ever, amazing visuals, built for series x first etc etc, then a week after the showing and gamers complaining you completely change what you are saying about the game?, just stop it already...

chrisx1351d ago

MS has always been shady. If not for the global uproar they were surely ready to release halo infinite in that state. Reminds me of the "it's always online deal with it" and "we can't just flip a switch", then flips the switch fiasco. Something serious has to change over there.

IRetrouk1351d ago

Yeah its turned into a theme at this point, change is needed.

morganfell1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

My predictions were in the board weeks ago that MS would launch a few story chapters and a partial multiplayer in order to make the launch.

People should now be aware of the current disasterous state of the game’s development.

IRetrouk1351d ago

props Morgan, you called it man.

CorndogBurglar1351d ago

@morganfell

Okay. So you predicted they would launch a few story missions and partial multiplayer to meet launch. But.......they aren't doing that. They delayed the game. So why are you excited about your wrong prediction? Lol

mandingo1351d ago

Change is needed in these forums

CorndogBurglar1351d ago

@IRetrouk

What did he call? Did he predict that MS wpuld sit down and discuss releasing Halo in pieces then decide against doing that? Because that would have been impressive. He didn't predict that though. His prediction was wrong.

neomahi1351d ago

ChrisX Well put, buddy.

IRetrouk1351d ago

He guessed that that was a path they could go down, obviously they discussed it, so he called it right, I'm not sure where you are getting that he's excited, that never came across in his comment.

NeoGamer2321351d ago

And the other companies are any better?

I see people putting trust in companies rather than people. Anything company X says is untrustworthy, but everything company Y says is completely and 100% accurate.

I see through both Sony and Microsoft. Neither company has an offering for this next gen console that is worth spending $500 up front for by the end of 2020. Spider-man will be a great game, but make no mistake; a sequel two years after the original 99% of the time does not yield a ton of innovation. Just a new story and better graphics. And Sony has yet to deep dive the gameplay in the new Spider-man. Why? Because it is the same. THAT IS NOT BAD... SPIDER-MAN WAS AWESOME! But, don't be dumb thinking they will deliver an innovative master piece justifying a $500 spend on a new console. And on the MS side, even with Halo I didn't see the innovation to make me rush my purchase. I think people should just let the fanboys go buy it this year, and then wait for the price to drop next year before buying.

bouzebbal1351d ago

Well anyone normal can see that xbox is ran by morons..

SullysCigar1351d ago

@NeoGamer, you really just need to relax man.

If companies try to screw the consumers - or even if they just make a mistake - the get called out and rightfully so.

Drop the victim mentality and demand better.

JBlaze2261350d ago

Like Sony hasn't been shady

MightyHealthy1350d ago

those examples you brought up were from the beginning of last gen, and they have adjusted quite drastically.
And they postponed the games release, so there's no issue

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-Foxtrot1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Don't forget this slice of gold by Phil

"Just being honest, I felt good after seeing their (PS5) show. I think the hardware advantages that we’ve built are gonna show up when we’re gonna talk more about our games and framerates and other things. I thought the games line-up we’re gonna have at launch I’ve felt really good about. And we got more clarity on what they’re doing, obviously at their show. Which has just helped us focus on showing what we have"

"But when I think about the position we’re in with the games we’re gonna show with the hardware advantage that we have I think we’re in a very good position. So, I feel good about July"

So he CLEARLY saw the shape Halo was in but now they are using the COVID excuse despite Halo being in development for like 5 years

BehindTheRows1351d ago

Yeah, between that statement and the "mic drops" comment, they have no one but themselves to blame for the sort of backlash they saw. They need a complete change of message for the XSX or things, at least from a PR perspective, are going to continue to look grim.

Baza1351d ago

This the kinda sh*t that really rubs me the wrong way.

crazyCoconuts1351d ago

It's a damned if he knew and damned if he didn't situation for Spencer. For someone in his position to not know his biggest asset was in shambles is inexcusable. If he did know but still decided to shovel it with a grin and a t-shirt, maybe even worse I don't know. Either way, I can't imagine some heads not rolling after this monumental f up

morganfell1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

I think Phil should get a raise and people should ignore all of these blatant mismanagement steps, gaffes, cash bonfires, and outright lies from Spencer. I hope Nadella tells him, keep doing what you are doing...just do it more. This will insure that Microsoft's gaming plans continue to auger into the ground at high velocity. If Xbox supporters will not look at reality then I say you deserve Phil. In fact they should clone him so there is twice the Phil.

Elda1351d ago

A big doubt it was in development for 5 years.

ZwVw1351d ago

How this weasel hasn't gotten his walking papers yet remains a mystery. Him (Spencer) and Satya Nadella must be childhood buddies or something.

DigitalHope1351d ago

I’ve said it before and I’ve said it many times, the biggest problem with XBox as a brand is Phil and company talk too damn much. They literally talk themselves into a corner and out their backs against a wall and it’s all their own doing.

And I hate to bring Sony into this but just look at the stark contrast between the two. It wasn’t all that long ago people were all over Sony for being quiet and not saying a lot, but it actually worked out so well because they didn’t set an expectations and let the games talk for them.

The Xbox games are fine, the consoles are fine. Even in a vacuum that July conference was fine. But iPhil and company talk and boast and set a level of hype they just never seem to be able to live up too.

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The Wood1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

DigitalHope

Sony are just more savvy in the console business. MS people run their mouths way too much and like most times it comes and bites them in their asses. Their fans are in slit wrist mode right now trying their best to muster up some courage to spin swerve and deflect. Its tiring for many of them who have kept suspiciously quiet but there are still some 'fighting the fight' and defending the ill management of the xbox brand. I wish I had Spencers Gaara of the deserts level of defence, dudes untouchable to the xbox fanbase. Nothing is his fault.

DigitalHope1351d ago

The Wood

That wasn’t always the case. Just look back to the PS3 launch. The difference is Playstation learned from their mistakes where XBox continues to trip over the same song and dance time and time again.

They would honestly be in a better position if they’d just shut up.

I’m definitely a Playstation guy first but if I’m being honest the most fun I had all gen was with Sea of Thieves playing with friends. There are a lot of XBox games that are so good and so much fun but they need to let these games breath without hyping them beyond what they are.

morganfell1351d ago

"How this weasel hasn't gotten his walking papers yet remains a mystery. Him (Spencer) and Satya Nadella must be childhood buddies or something."

https://vignette2.wikia.noc...

sprinterboy1350d ago (Edited 1350d ago )

I know right, at least Don mattrick put everything out there in the wild, Phil on the other hand is just full of shit.
Don had ryse, quantum break and the cartoony game for launch what the fuck does this idiot have bearing in mind they've had nothing for 7 years?
I'd be calling this idiot into the office if I got results like this.

PurpHerbison1350d ago

If 120FPS is some sort of standard then that will be massive for the competitive console crowd, which only grows each generation.

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mandingo1351d ago

What do you want him to say? Halo looks terrible. Take a look.

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rpvenom1351d ago

Honestly at this point.. I think Microsoft knows that they're clearly losing and unable to produce in the games side of the business.. so all they have to ride on is marketing tactics and xbox fan loyalty.. so thats why they continue to do this and xbox fans eat it up. This is their goal really at this point.. they know they cannot beat sony's lineup of games so they have no choice but to depend on this strategy.. even if smarter gamers know better.. they're targeting less aware and casual gamers who dont know better.

mandingo1351d ago

Yea ok. The launch of our new console is here but let’s continue to say nothing about our flagship title. It would have been worse had they showed nothing at all.

mandingo1351d ago

Speak for yourself my guy. Halo gears hellblade project Mara fable avowed outer worlds 2 forza Everwild state of decay. Not competing tho I guess

QSPR1351d ago

The salt is strong with this one

mandingo1351d ago

They have no games. I list 10. I get 9 dislikes. What can you say on this site? Oh I know. Ps5 is so great it’s the best better than everything. If you don’t like PlayStation you suck. Am I right?

SullysCigar1351d ago

Wow mandingo, poor you. I'm welling up. I hope things get better for you buddy. Stay strong.

WillyC0091350d ago

@mandingo,

You’re crying about not getting your likes for your comment? Dude, those games are mostly lame as hell. The only thing that remotely interested me was Fable. Xbox is a mess

mandingo1350d ago

I don’t want likes but the dislikes for no reason are ridiculous. You’re a liar to say none of those games interest you. Ur a trolll

GreenDragonCVR1350d ago

Well we just took a big steaming pile of halo take a look!

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darthv721351d ago

I, for one, am glad they reconsidered.

neomahi1351d ago

That's the problem, Microsoft are demonstrating they have no clue what they're doing. They're the most trial and error business in the world, I swear. That's not how you do business. Strangely enough so many gamers look at Microsoft, still, with so much respect but are ignorant, I guess. It's like cheering for the kid with autism trying out for the cheer team simply because they're making the effort with a disability. (Which is cool in real life) but Microsoft, argh, people are so blind and ignorant it's sad. You've got Sony and Nintendo busting their butts to give you a quality experience and sometimes you get bad games, so they fix it on the next iteration, they learn, but Microsoft consistently does this and people brush it off. Our standards and expectations, then, have fallen horribly and we as consumers are letting this happen, under Don Mattrick consumers said absolutely not! Stood their ground and voted with their wallet, but with Phil Spencer everyone sees him as the great turn around savior, but nothing's changed other than he's a "nicer guy", but this is billion dollar company Microsoft, not little mom and pops store, they know better and consistently demonstrate their innept ability to get the job on their fourth console generation, how much longer are we going to allow this? If we allow Microsoft to do this, then Sony and Nintendo will eventually think they can do it too, no way, unacceptable.

1Victor1351d ago

@Iretrouk or bare with me for a moment he didn’t see it he is just a mouth piece that repeat everything corporate tells him to say.
Ether way it’s a shame to all Xbox gamers and a disservice to keep doing what they( Microsoft) are doing

RauLeCreuset1351d ago

"Ether way it’s a shame to all Xbox gamers and a disservice to keep doing what they( Microsoft) are doing."

(Looks around.)

Maybe not "all" Xbox gamers.

rainslacker1351d ago

Should have just said the game was too big, split it into two parts, gotten something good to show, then called it a day.

Probably would have gotten people more excited that they were going to get such a big game.

olafu1350d ago

No parts, isn’t it bad enough they want to milk it for ten years?

WelkinCole1351d ago

The more they talk the more they dig their hole deeper. Thing is any gamer with any analytical mind can read between the lines.

It is obvious to anyone what MS have tried and are still trying to do. The truth is their plans/strategy at the start of this gen at its core still intact. Its just the messaging after and the PR that really changed. I can and I am sure many could easily see through Phil.

GaaS and multiplayer always online with nickel and dime services pieces of games.

This is why they have failed so much this gen with games and now with Halo. I can bet you with scalebound they tried to push in services for that game. Sea of Thieves? Crackdown?. This is why Sony have left them in the dust at least on the games front.

Sony had a clear vision. SP focused AAA games that is worth more than their 60 admission price. You buy once and get the full game and own. Basically the same strategy since the PS1 that has worked for them well

MS strategy is a mess of trying to build an ecosystem and layers of paywalls and now pieces of games to get the most out of gamers with little effort. GaaS is prime for episodic games. Its clear to anyone that the Halo infinite with multiple islands and areas is ripe of this. Pay season pass to unlock areas. Shit its in the name infinite lol!

So now I am not surprised to hear about issues behind the scenes for Halo dev. I am not surprise with how much MS studios have struggled this gen apart from Turn 10. However if you think about Turn 10. They produce basically the same game every year or two. Minimal effort with more return so I am sure MS have left them alone.

Yet gamers are still blinded by Phil and co.

olafu1350d ago

An accurate assessment.

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sprinterboy1350d ago

Phil is just full of shit, Don was good but made a bad dicision on xbox one but at least he knew the games

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Christopher1350d ago

I think we need to stop blaming someone at a company for "lying" when that's their job. No one at Sony is going to suddenly pop up and say "Our game looks like shit, but here it is anyway. Might delay, we'll see." Phil is marketing his games and his company. That's his job. Tellling people his game looks bad isn't on the lineup for him if he wants to keep his job let alone do a good job of it.

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potatoseal1351d ago

You can't trust PHil Spencer or Arron Greenburg. It's as simple as that.

Silly Mammo1351d ago

Phil is the king of over-promising and under-delivering.

badz1491351d ago

Peter Molyneux: ARE YOU CHALLENGING ME?

olafu1350d ago

Peter Molyneux had vision but Microsoft never gave him time or funding to finish his projects.

Back then just like now same problem rushing out unfinished games.

Sayai jin1351d ago

I don't trust any company. They are all there for one main reason. Agreed, they have once again led people astray.

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zsquaresoff1351d ago

As long as Craig the brute was in it is all I care about.

filchron1350d ago

Oh I feel you'll see him a LOT in the campaign. And with an even less enthused expression on his face.

FlavorLav011351d ago

I imagine a lot of games from MS going forward we’re going to take this route. Launch unfinished games like Sea of Thieves, then patch and patch until it’s playable/enjoyable. That is the definition of GAAS to me. Outlook based on these types doesn’t look great IMO

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Desperate Xbox players turn to Halo Forge for their Helldivers 2 fix

PS5-exclusive Helldivers 2 is so popular that Xbox players want a taste of democracy, and now Halo Forge will be the battleground for a Helldivers 2 remake.

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XiNatsuDragnel62d ago

That's wild but hey if forge satisfies than that's good

GamerRN61d ago

Also.... Desperate Xbox players? I mean Helldivers2 looks ok, but I wouldn't call it anything to get desperate over..

God of War and the other exclusive are more worth desperation. I don't think I'm gonna even try Helldivers2, in still trying to beat Forbidden West, and I still of Ghosts, Ragnarok and TLOU2 to play

Old McGroin61d ago

Helldivers 2 is a phenomenally good game. You should definitely check it out if you get the chance. Looks like the devs have the server capacity issue pretty much sewn up now so it's a good time to jump in.

WolfSeed61d ago

You clearly haven't tried it. It's pure crack.

MrNinosan61d ago

I thought exactly like you, until I tried Helldivers 2... and then I was hooked.
The only thing that will stop me from playing it going forward is Final Fantasy VII Rebirth next week.

1Victor61d ago

@gamer: “Also.... Desperate Xbox players? I mean Helldivers2 looks ok”

Lest be honest for a minute even Phil want it on Xbox and if it wasn’t desperation the forge player wouldn’t be trying to copy it 🤷🏿

Barlos61d ago

Nobody is desperate over a game. Its pure clickbait.

TwoPicklesGood60d ago

I enjoy Helldivers 2 but it isn’t phenomenal or anything, its just a good game. Sure us ps5 players don’t have many multiplayer games so maybe that skews perspective. What we should be worrying about Is all the bugs and issues that STILL plague the game. It shouldn’t have been released in this state.

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Hereandthere61d ago

Helldivers 2 graphically makes halo on series x look 2 gen behind.

Rdeal60d ago

Are you saying Helldivers 2 graphics are better than Halo's? if so you need glasses , graphics has to be the worst part of Helldivers 2, I have seen better on the PS4

Hypertension14060d ago (Edited 60d ago )

@Rdeal

It's not the best looking game around
but the graphics definitely look better than halo infinite. The destruction on display while also maintaining a steady performance is also very impressive.

I've also seen better on PS4, but I say the same for almost every Xbox Series X game this generation.

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Kiryu199261d ago

Why desperate Xbox fans? Why are we so split as a gaming community? So gamers wanting to play awesome games are not labeled desperate?

DarXyde60d ago

I don't think it's really unusual.

LittleBigPlanet allowed for that.

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Jin_Sakai62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Just get a PS5 and be done with it. Four Xbox exclusives are making their way over with more to follow down the road.

343_Guilty_Spark61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

When is Halo Infinite coming?

Hellblade 2 coming?

Jin_Sakai61d ago

Soon enough.

Phil Spencer: “The biggest games will be more than just one platform“

https://x.com/xbox/status/1...

VincentVanBro61d ago

Neither of those are worth an entire console so who cares?

DazaMc61d ago

Anytime now, who knows.

MrNinosan61d ago

Probably within a year, but don't worry. They will still be available on the box of your choice, except if Switch is your choice.

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babadivad61d ago

Or just play it on your PC...

InUrFoxHole60d ago

Why get either console? All are coming to pc anyway

Shane Kim60d ago

If it wasn't for the initial cost, then I would never get a console.

InUrFoxHole60d ago

Honestly pc is great but I love the convenience of a console

OptimusDK60d ago

You couldn’t help yourself right Jin

Jin_Sakai60d ago

I just couldn’t help but tell the reality of the situation.

goldwyncq60d ago

Or just get a PC because all Xbox and PS games are coming to it sooner or later. Nintendo's the only company practicing true exclusivity nowadays.

Tedakin60d ago

Sony's present said first party games will be on pc and other platforms too. So what? And before you say he just meant "pc and playstation" that was debunked. Day 1 pc is definitely coming from Sony, ending your precious exclusives.

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Neonridr62d ago

I remember the good old days of Halo 3 and the Forge. Some wild game games came from it.

RaidenBlack62d ago

Just let Coalition develop or at least assist in developing the next Halo ... 343 alone is not enough

Jin_Sakai61d ago

They already assisted with development.

“Gears of War studio The Coalition helped out with Halo Infinite”

https://www.vg247.com/gears...

RaidenBlack61d ago

Then lead the next Halo development with 343 assisting instead ... as well as leverage some of the other new acquired studios if possible

neomahi60d ago

That would be smart, but makes too much sense. BUT, The Coalition is pretty much dead, without Rod Ferguson, there's nothing there. That was the point of that team was that he was heading it up but even Rod Ferguson turned down being the boss and head of his own studio making Microsoft money to go to Blizzard, and isn't it ironic, look where's he's at now. Cliff Blezinski offered to go back to work on Gears and Xbox (one of their biggest IPs) shut him down and told him no. Gears put Xbox on the map, and they told him no. Sony wouldn't tell David Jaffe no if he asked to return to God of War or Twisted Metal, Jaffe is just to lazy, but Xbox shut down Blezinski, completely shocked me.

So, you're right, kinda, but that blood isn't there anymore, the soul of that team is gone so I don't think you'd get the quality you think that you would

Jin_Sakai60d ago

“Then lead the next Halo development with 343 assisting instead ... as well as leverage some of the other new acquired studios if possible“

Certain Affinity would be good but who knows what’s happening there. And I’d suggest keeping CoD studios away from the franchise unless you want Halo of Duty.

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PhillyDonJawn61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

Halo Infinite forge is a million times better. maps don't even look like forge made but look like actual dev created maps now

Neonridr61d ago

oh I bet, I just have fond memories of all the different things people came up with. I can only imagine what it's like now.

PhillyDonJawn60d ago

Hell yeah I remember the forge map toilet 😂 good times. Poo and paper everywhere

Blad3runner0062d ago

Don't get this mentality. Nothing is stopping these people from buying a PS5

I don't get fanboyism and refusing to purchase a competitors console.

purple10162d ago

I didn't used to get it, when is was Sega vs Nintendo, but now companies charging for online play, I dont wan to pay 2 separate subs, so you make a choice. also if you were to say invest in extra controllers for mates or whatever, I suppose it all adds up

anast61d ago

So, PS5 is the choice, right?

PhillyDonJawn61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

You're thinking too much into it. Forge creators make anything and everything. This is nothing new. Call of duty and other games have been made in halo forge as well. I was just playing Nuketown and hot potato 2 weeks ago lol (hot potato fun asf btw)

PaleMoonDeath61d ago

Not everyone can afford it mate, some have kids, families etc to support. Very close minded statement, adults don't necessarily care which machine, but money's tight nowadays, bring them Helldivers so we can get the damn Halo & Gears armour on PS5 lol

EvertonFC61d ago

I wanna see helgeist, scorpions, crimera, flying sting rays even some knack enemies etc

PaleMoonDeath61d ago

@Everton, DUDE! KILLZONE 2 HELGHAST SKINS! COULD YOU IMAGINE

Charlieboy33361d ago

They hate Playstation to the point of insanity....yet want a Playstation game on Xbox so bad. These people don't even make sense in their OWN minds...

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EvertonFC60d ago (Edited 60d ago )

Agreed fella, same can be said for the playstation lot too though lol. We would all be over a gears collection, halo collection, Forza and ori

DivineHand12561d ago

I hope all the persons who agreed with you have an Xbox. Being a multi-console owner is the best thing for a gamer. When Palworld came out I could boot up the Xbox and play it there. I also just started playing Helldivers 2 yesterday and I am having a great time with it.

The gunplay is good so persons who are on the fence for this reason, don't be. The gunplay in this can go up against Halo, Destiny, The Division 2 etc. The gameplay loop is also good with a reasonable progression system. It doesn't have any RPG mechanics so don't expect to see numbers popping up when you shoot an enemy. Progression in this game allows you to unlock cosmetics, weapons and air drops from orbit to aid you on your mission.

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anast61d ago

HA! All the while Xbox games are popping up in PS stores. To be honest, on day exclusivity will probably be gone and each will just provide a streaming service bundle, but why not have fun while we can.

crazyCoconuts61d ago

And to get you to pick one streaming service over another they would have....

anast61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

You do know how to ask direct questions, right? This is a serious question.

They would have different app features, different UI's, timed exclusivity, and different video game series (live action and animation). Also the streaming services would be tied to mobile phones of choice (Sony vs MS; maybe even Nintendo will get in on this, phone thing.) which have their own reasons for purchasing.

Of course this is in the distant future. They don't call me the Oracle for no reason.

crazyCoconuts61d ago

Exclusives... The answer was exclusives.
But, you being the Oracle you already knew that, didn't you?

anast61d ago

"one day exclusivity will probably be gone"

Yes. I am the Oracle. When this happens you can say I am right.

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Gaming4Life198184d ago

Nice just doing the weekly challenges will get these.

1UP-Words84d ago

Yeah it's certainly a relief that they're not too hard to earn because they look good! With Seasons now done, we're getting less free armor than usual so it's something