have any defense at all for this piece of shit film that has left the ST shattered in pieces?

Have to agree Darklink28. I've been a huge Star Wars fan all my life, but this film couldn't possibly have left me more disappointed. I really can't understand where all these positive reviews are coming from. Nothing was explained, nothing happened and it practically left the franchise with absolutely nowhere to go next, but the complete obvious.

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It was basically a 2 and a half hour spectacle, with no substance. More than half the film was completely pointless, and the other half just completely ruined the legacy of the films that came before it. Phasma was a complete waste of time, Snoke was a complete waste of time and then they decided to ruin Luke's legend along with it. I wasn't a huge fan of TFA, but I gave it a pass because I saw it as a setup for where they were taking the franchise next. But they practically took the franchise and threw it out the window. I was expecting a huge reveal as to who Snoke was (Darth Plageuis maybe??!!) but nothing, who Rey's parents were (absolute nobodies!!!) and then SURELY with everything that's happening, Luke was going to turn up to save the day!! Apparently, his name is merely legend but in reality he's nothing but a coward with very little to no power whatsoever!! One of the greatest legends in Star Wars lore just brushed aside!! And Luke was afraid to confront Kylo?? A petulant idiot that's extremely weak with the force?? The Jedi legend that didn't think twice about confronting both Vader and Sidious, two of the most powerful Sith ever, is running scared from Kylo, an absolute nobody who isn't even fully Sith?? None of it made sense. NONE OF IT!! The only thing this film succeeded in was destroying Luke's legacy. We're left to believe that the one person that single handedly, practically forced Anakin to bring balance to the force was just a fraud!!! Practically everything in this film denounced all that came before it!! It was all bullshit and none of it mattered!! It just made everything meaningless!! It actually left me a little bit heart broken!!! I grew up watching Star Wars, with so many great memories from them, and this film practically just threw all of it in the bin. I am beyond disappointed.

for me again the filler sequence you know i'm talking about was horrible, you have no investment, and the token character you know i''m talking about shoves SJW stuff down our throats. politics in star wars has never been overt per se in pushing a certain ideology, only alluded to. this took it too far.

I loved Luke's arc it's just the structure and the pacing is my biggest issue. I'll seee it again but other than luke/rey/ben/snoke there was no story. that was messed up.

TF, seriously? Finn and Rose are good characters, that's all there is to it. Iden Versio was shit and that was shoehorned as fuck, but Finn carried TFW and was even better than Rey.

All these races in the galaxy and you're mad they're not all white- instead of realizing what makes them good.

Such fucking BS. Finn and Rey led TFW, they both even participated in the lightsaber battle. Finn was even better than Rey.

And you say "all of the Star Wars films" as if there are like 50 with female leads. No, Rey is just one lead in Star Wars and has been that way for two movies, and will likely stay that way for the trilogy.

Iden Versio was shit and that was Dice's fault.

And token characters? Shit, they're good characters that happen to be colored. Saying all the white characters are token characters are just as easy and just as stupid of an argument.

You're really, really f-ing anal about leads being anything but a white male.

I read the review and he says nothing about race or being SJW. why are you interjecting race and SJW into it?

Seriously? I'm talking to these two who say "minorities are token characters" and say the film is SJW multiple times all over this thread. This has nothing to do with the review, this has to do with their comments.

Well said, couldn't be more true, screw the consumers who obviously don't understand star wars.

Especially the person calling Luke a coward for not facing ren. Luke knew his time was up, he also knew he had a chance to help the rebellion, he used his last bit of energy to project himself to where the battle was going and saved them, if anything that is a way to go for a true hero. And his message was at that time I am the balance (you know when he spoke to Rey earlier about balance between light and dark), well Luke displayed that balance before his time he put himself in between light and dark.

Like I said people obviously are not paying attention properly to characters words, reactions, actions.

Kylo is still conflicted, Leia left Hans dice behind and he picked them up, he wouldn't of picked them up if he was still conflicted. Kylo will turn back to the light in the third film and I have a feeling it will be his mother's death that's the cause of it been as he couldn't kill her at the start of the film..

dude like actually back your points up or you're just proving my point that it's a horrible film. the worst SW film ever.

I had no expectations whatsoever, but I was excited. The problem is this film had no structure. It had no pacing. Half of it was filler (everything Finn/Rose). Luke's character arc was actually perfect, BUT, because the pacing was so so so horrible it was hard to follow and put together. Someone needs to make a cut of the film when it comes out of cutting out pretty much all the casino stuff and some of the resistance stuff.

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I was fairly frustrated with the Finn/Rose filler. I didn't care for it at all, not the weird Kangaroo horses being set free, or Roses bond to her family necklace. I mean, Roses sister dying just came out of no where, we had no idea who she was, so why on earth was I supposed to care about her dying? But nonetheless the film expected me to care. Which was a bad trend all throughout the movie.

I was only interested in the Rey/Luke scenes which were actually quite good, but the climax between Luke and Ben was so disappointing, that fight had such a lazy yet cringy plot-twist, I literally burst out laughing when I saw Luke meditating with all his power to keep up his projection. Still, anything that comes after the Force Awakens will be a better star wars film, this one was mildly better but still a long boring mess overall.

Oh and the general from the First Order, Domhnall Gleeson. He is such a great actor, so it's a shame that his character in the reboots is terribly overacted; he sounded like an evil villain from a cartoon show, 1 dimensional lazy, comic-relief villain with no depth.

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This film actually makes me appreciate TFA in many respects. It's just THAT bad for me.

It's not an objectively bad film. Your opinion isn't some arbitrary standard. There's no such thing as objectively bad unless you're talking about something that has something quantifiable. As in objectively bad at using the color red often. Objectively bad at having people talk in a certain tone. Even so, that doesn't mean the film is objectively good or bad, you can only make a subjective analysis based on those facts, because someone may like it using more or less red or someone may like characters talking in a certain tone or not.

There is NO such thing as an objectively bad film, and if you're pretentious and up your own a** enough to actually believe that, your opinion isn't worth considering because you're mental as shit.

Honestly, I would be much happier if they would just consider this non-canon. They could always say it's on a different timeline, or that it's part of a vision. I know they won't do that, but anything except wasting Luke's potential like they did. When I buy a digital copy of this movie, I'm cutting all of the Finn and Rose filler garbage. And now that I think of it, you could almost trim this movie down into a very quick television episode because there was so much inconsequential filler.

yep I cannot wait for fan edits of this movie.

also, it's funny but I hope this film makes people appreciate the prequels that much more. George Lucas did know what he was doing. some of the dialogue sucked but the visuals and the music, and the overarching story was incredible. sometimes execution wasn't perfect but compared to this film, holy shit it makes them look like masterpieces.

Yeah, you have no vested interest, quit acting like your opinion is fact for someone else. I thought Finn and Rose were both good characters.

That's like saying Lando had to be integral to 5, and I'd personally say Rose and Finn are way more interesting.

Seriously, give your self-righteous ass a break.

An education?