The Last Jedi Review - The film is a tonal disaster and is quite possibly the worst Star Wars film with horrible pacing and unlikable characters.
This film was such a colossal mess. No pacing whatsoever, visually it was just bad. The pacing was so bad it took away from the best character arc in the film and mark hamill's masterful performance. ben, rey, and luke are the only ones to care about.
have any defense at all for this piece of shit film that has left the ST shattered in pieces?
Have to agree Darklink28. I've been a huge Star Wars fan all my life, but this film couldn't possibly have left me more disappointed. I really can't understand where all these positive reviews are coming from. Nothing was explained, nothing happened and it practically left the franchise with absolutely nowhere to go next, but the complete obvious.
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It was basically a 2 and a half hour spectacle, with no substance. More than half the film was completely pointless, and the other half just completely ruined the legacy of the films that came before it. Phasma was a complete waste of time, Snoke was a complete waste of time and then they decided to ruin Luke's legend along with it. I wasn't a huge fan of TFA, but I gave it a pass because I saw it as a setup for where they were taking the franchise next. But they practically took the franchise and threw it out the window. I was expecting a huge reveal as to who Snoke was (Darth Plageuis maybe??!!) but nothing, who Rey's parents were (absolute nobodies!!!) and then SURELY with everything that's happening, Luke was going to turn up to save the day!! Apparently, his name is merely legend but in reality he's nothing but a coward with very little to no power whatsoever!! One of the greatest legends in Star Wars lore just brushed aside!! And Luke was afraid to confront Kylo?? A petulant idiot that's extremely weak with the force?? The Jedi legend that didn't think twice about confronting both Vader and Sidious, two of the most powerful Sith ever, is running scared from Kylo, an absolute nobody who isn't even fully Sith?? None of it made sense. NONE OF IT!! The only thing this film succeeded in was destroying Luke's legacy. We're left to believe that the one person that single handedly, practically forced Anakin to bring balance to the force was just a fraud!!! Practically everything in this film denounced all that came before it!! It was all bullshit and none of it mattered!! It just made everything meaningless!! It actually left me a little bit heart broken!!! I grew up watching Star Wars, with so many great memories from them, and this film practically just threw all of it in the bin. I am beyond disappointed.
It is not nearly as bad as you are making out. There were some missteps, sure, but I felt this was better than TFA. TFA was a cut and paste copy of New Hope. This at least tries some new things, and broadens the scope a bit (don't want to give away plot point spoilers).
What I do object to is the token inclusion and blatant elevation of female and minority characters....simply for the sake of including token characters. I mean enough is enough already. All of the Star Wars films since Disney has taken over are led by female characters (including Battlefront 2 as a game), there are token minority roles as if there is a PC checklist they are ticking boxes on. It is ridiculous.
for me again the filler sequence you know i'm talking about was horrible, you have no investment, and the token character you know i''m talking about shoves SJW stuff down our throats. politics in star wars has never been overt per se in pushing a certain ideology, only alluded to. this took it too far.
I loved Luke's arc it's just the structure and the pacing is my biggest issue. I'll seee it again but other than luke/rey/ben/snoke there was no story. that was messed up.
TF, seriously? Finn and Rose are good characters, that's all there is to it. Iden Versio was shit and that was shoehorned as fuck, but Finn carried TFW and was even better than Rey.
All these races in the galaxy and you're mad they're not all white- instead of realizing what makes them good.
Such fucking BS. Finn and Rey led TFW, they both even participated in the lightsaber battle. Finn was even better than Rey.
And you say "all of the Star Wars films" as if there are like 50 with female leads. No, Rey is just one lead in Star Wars and has been that way for two movies, and will likely stay that way for the trilogy.
Iden Versio was shit and that was Dice's fault.
And token characters? Shit, they're good characters that happen to be colored. Saying all the white characters are token characters are just as easy and just as stupid of an argument.
You're really, really f-ing anal about leads being anything but a white male.
OmnislashVer36: If you can't see the forced "diversity" in Star Wars since Disney took over, you're blind. All these female characters are shoehorned, not just Versio. Practically every character of higher authority in the resistance is female, and all in the first order are male. Every lead hero since Disney took over are female. Woman good, man bad. Girl power 🤞 Just Disney trying to cash in on sucking more people in. Majority of Star Wars fans are male, so they feel the need to make all higher authority characters female in hope they'll pull in some female fans. It's all forced and just a ploy to reach a wider audience and make more money.
Impressed that you could take your subjective opinion so damn far. Every time someone says they enjoyed it you say "what about my points?" as if your opinion is some arbitrary standard.(furthermore, you don't really have any points, at all)
Personally, I thought it was single best of all of the Star Wars films- had the most plot analytically, the most characterization in my opinion, the characters were well differentiated, and the plot darker than any others. It was technically sound and extremely thorough compared to most Star Wars films. Rose was a good new character, and their subplot with Finn was enjoyable. The effects were top-teir as well, I think people are just finding shit to complain about with that nonsense.
And if you really think it's SJW because the new character was Asian, seriously screw you and get out of your self-righteous singular bubble.
I read the review and he says nothing about race or being SJW. why are you interjecting race and SJW into it?
Seriously? I'm talking to these two who say "minorities are token characters" and say the film is SJW multiple times all over this thread. This has nothing to do with the review, this has to do with their comments.
Well said, couldn't be more true, screw the consumers who obviously don't understand star wars.
Especially the person calling Luke a coward for not facing ren. Luke knew his time was up, he also knew he had a chance to help the rebellion, he used his last bit of energy to project himself to where the battle was going and saved them, if anything that is a way to go for a true hero. And his message was at that time I am the balance (you know when he spoke to Rey earlier about balance between light and dark), well Luke displayed that balance before his time he put himself in between light and dark.
Like I said people obviously are not paying attention properly to characters words, reactions, actions.
Kylo is still conflicted, Leia left Hans dice behind and he picked them up, he wouldn't of picked them up if he was still conflicted. Kylo will turn back to the light in the third film and I have a feeling it will be his mother's death that's the cause of it been as he couldn't kill her at the start of the film..
@zero its' funny the review says that luke's character arc is amazing but poorly executed but this whole thread stopped being about actual article a long time ago..
the actress who played rose was a very poor choice. just a hollow character. it has nothing to do with race, but she was just shoe-horned in there and her only purpose was to talk about how rich people are evil funding the first order. generalize much?
Oh it’s bad
Like TFA was disappointing to me but this takes the cake
He took everything JJ Abrams set up in the TFA, all the plot arcs and internet theories and knocked them all down like they meant nothing...like he was trying to override what JJ did and make it his film
Finn wasn’t even needed in TFA, Poe could have escaped himself and at least then he would have been the Han Solo character and Rey would have been the “Skywalker” so she didn’t do everything and make her a Mary Sue. He was the diversity character at the end of the day.
Sad thing is Rogue One did diversity but it never was felt forced, it felt natural. A band of mis matched people coming together under chance.
Dude you mean Finn could have escaped and Poe was unneeded. And Rogue One was the most forced garbage out there. The plot was seriously "lets get as many low-voiced people of every race to take out the Death Star". None of them were diverse in character, everyone of them just talked in a low voice and that's pretty damn objective. You can literally quantify how everyone talked in a low voice from start to finish in that movie.
Finn was actually a good character and it's just laughable what you said.
Finn's whole arc in this one was to fight Phasma (it's in the trailer, it's not a spoiler) and that is IT. Like he had a great character arc in TFA actually and Rian Johnson decided to take a dump on everything JJ established. I NEVER thought I'd be glad JJ is back.
Dude your defending crusade of this film is ridiculous.
Finn was a pointless character in TFA and he's more pointless now. In TFA he was literally just standing there while Rey did everything, if Poe was written where he managed to escape by chance at least his stuff, which he was already doing, could have been expanded on and given him more of a purpose. Finn was like drooling out the side of his mouth for the entire film, then they gave him a Lightsaber fight to make him feel he did something.
This film was a letdown...it was horrible in story, pacing and respect to the characters
Thank you for pointing out the forced diversity! I am glad we agree on this. Force Awakens felt very smooth, where as TLJ felt like they just shoe-horned Rose in the movie for only the sake of having an asian character. You don't make characters to fit a demographic, you create characters to further a story; which Rose did not do.
it had some good moments but not as bad as people are saying.
the only people that are saying it is bad are people with bad taste
dude like actually back your points up or you're just proving my point that it's a horrible film. the worst SW film ever.
The problem is the glowing reviews calling it the best Star Wars since Empire. So many including myself went in with near astronomical expectations after seeing them and left feeling unsatisfied. It's definitely not as bad as many say but at the same time it's not as amazing as the glowing reviews make it out to be either.
I had no expectations whatsoever, but I was excited. The problem is this film had no structure. It had no pacing. Half of it was filler (everything Finn/Rose). Luke's character arc was actually perfect, BUT, because the pacing was so so so horrible it was hard to follow and put together. Someone needs to make a cut of the film when it comes out of cutting out pretty much all the casino stuff and some of the resistance stuff.
it's objectively a horrible film. there is no structure. half the film adds NOTHING to the plot. it doesn't advance anything. it retconned a lot from TFA. it's legitimately the worst film i've ever seen. `
I was fairly frustrated with the Finn/Rose filler. I didn't care for it at all, not the weird Kangaroo horses being set free, or Roses bond to her family necklace. I mean, Roses sister dying just came out of no where, we had no idea who she was, so why on earth was I supposed to care about her dying? But nonetheless the film expected me to care. Which was a bad trend all throughout the movie.
I was only interested in the Rey/Luke scenes which were actually quite good, but the climax between Luke and Ben was so disappointing, that fight had such a lazy yet cringy plot-twist, I literally burst out laughing when I saw Luke meditating with all his power to keep up his projection. Still, anything that comes after the Force Awakens will be a better star wars film, this one was mildly better but still a long boring mess overall.
Oh and the general from the First Order, Domhnall Gleeson. He is such a great actor, so it's a shame that his character in the reboots is terribly overacted; he sounded like an evil villain from a cartoon show, 1 dimensional lazy, comic-relief villain with no depth.
This film actually makes me appreciate TFA in many respects. It's just THAT bad for me.
It's not an objectively bad film. Your opinion isn't some arbitrary standard. There's no such thing as objectively bad unless you're talking about something that has something quantifiable. As in objectively bad at using the color red often. Objectively bad at having people talk in a certain tone. Even so, that doesn't mean the film is objectively good or bad, you can only make a subjective analysis based on those facts, because someone may like it using more or less red or someone may like characters talking in a certain tone or not.
There is NO such thing as an objectively bad film, and if you're pretentious and up your own a** enough to actually believe that, your opinion isn't worth considering because you're mental as shit.
Your life is the worst film you've ever seen buddy.
This film did not lead me to care about any other characters than Luke, Rey, and Kylo. Finn and Rose's plot was a complete waste of time, as it meant nothing in the end anyways. This film did not further the plot to the saga whatsoever. Other than Kylo leading the First Order now and the rebels "lighting a fire", or whatever. They completely wasted Luke's return to the movies, as he did nothing of significance and introduced him with a comedic moment. This movie was leading up to be something very dark, as Force Awakens and the trailers led you to believe. However, it turned out to be a comedy, not a Sci-fi Fantasy film.
yep the only characters to care about were Luke, Rey, and Ben. I wish they killed off Finn and/or Rose. I was hoping so badly.
It was all over the place. There was so much HORRIBLE humor like the gag of Luke tossing the lightsaber because I was tearing up right before that, such an emotional moment, then BOOM, shit all over. Fuck you Rian Johnson. Luke's arc was actually really good BUT because the film's filler and pacing was so bad (he was missing for 45 minutes; he should have just used his x-wing with R2 and returned in person). The film needs to be re-cut, BADLY. I don't understand how they could have possibly thought this was a good film. Objectively it's not a good film. It is the worst Star Wars film.
Honestly, I would be much happier if they would just consider this non-canon. They could always say it's on a different timeline, or that it's part of a vision. I know they won't do that, but anything except wasting Luke's potential like they did. When I buy a digital copy of this movie, I'm cutting all of the Finn and Rose filler garbage. And now that I think of it, you could almost trim this movie down into a very quick television episode because there was so much inconsequential filler.
yep I cannot wait for fan edits of this movie.
also, it's funny but I hope this film makes people appreciate the prequels that much more. George Lucas did know what he was doing. some of the dialogue sucked but the visuals and the music, and the overarching story was incredible. sometimes execution wasn't perfect but compared to this film, holy shit it makes them look like masterpieces.
As someone that did not like The Force Awakens & I certainly did not like the story choices here I over all enjoyed The Last Jedi
Is this a School assignment? If so I would give it a solid F. Seems the viewer missed the whole point of the movie. Finn, Rose, Poe etc were just as important to the future of the rebellion as Rey or Luke are. Maybe even more so. Leah was clearly grooming Poe to take over for her. And purposely or not Finn and Rose sparked hope for the future of the rebellion with their bravery despite if the primary objective failed.
The movie didn't take the obvious and easy routes but instead sparked the ideas through the actions of the characters whether they were failed actions or not. Star Wars characters never felt so alive and real and the universe never felt more compelling. Rian Johnson is a genius and Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie ever created.
lol the problem with rose and finn (I actually do like poe and he had some development in the film, glad they didn't kill him off in TFA) is you do not care about them at all. you have no reason to. you have no vested interest. I didn't miss the point of the movie, the execution is just horrible. and yes Poe will take over now that leia is not going to be in the next film, that much is obvious.
lol the best star wars movie ever. I want whatever you're on man.
Yeah, you have no vested interest, quit acting like your opinion is fact for someone else. I thought Finn and Rose were both good characters.
That's like saying Lando had to be integral to 5, and I'd personally say Rose and Finn are way more interesting.
Seriously, give your self-righteous ass a break.
Definitely agree. Star Wars has never been particularly heavy on plot, rather effects and character driven. This was though, analytically it's the first to go into personal motive that isn't "let's destroy the empire", we're talking about characters with their own personal motives and ideals that drive them. It explored human themes like abandonment, loss, failure, without giving up the Star Wars charm that we're used to. It easily had the most plot and most thorough execution of any Star Wars to date. 10/10.
Darklink's self-righteous ass says "You don't feel this, you don't feel that", like STFU dude your opinion doesn't dictate how I enjoy the film.
Loved the movie. Fun, great story, loved the pacing, lovely characters.
So yeah there it is... a different opinion.
I dunno if I'd say the film is a 4/10 . . . but it definitely DOES NOT deserve the glowing praise that most critics are giving it.
Consider Disney's banning of LA Times from review screenings of their movies, them blocking the X-Men out of video games simply because they don't own the film rights, their poor treatment of comics related to characters they don't own the film rights to, and their recent purchase of Fox and I think it's clear that a lot of reviewers are simply sucking up to the Disney empire. I don't know if they're scared about going against the flow or if they genuinely bought into the hype and spectacle, but there's no way the film is nearly as great as critics are praising it to be . . . just look at the audience scores for the film.
I believe the audience scores are only going to get lower and lower as the weekend passes. Though it is possible that casual movie goers will end up increasing the average score simply based on "whoo fun explosions and the force," or whatever.
I don't know. Normally it's the rabid fans who are blinded by hype that go see it first and the score drops after that, when average moviegoers see it. It's crazy to see such a huge discrepancy between the audience score and the critic score on a mainstream popcorn flick like this. It'd be pretty par for the course in an indie film or art film, but for something like Star Wars it should be flip-flopped. I'm interested in seeing what the Cinemascore ends up being.
Or maybe that it was far more in-depth than any other Star Wars movie? Had more characterization, more plot analytically, changed the direction of the story, explored different human themes- depression, abandonment, and so forth? Or maybe you're just too far up your own ass to admit someone might have an opinion based on reason and you've got nothing but butthurt?
"Or maybe you're just too far up your own ass to admit someone might have an opinion based on reason and you've got nothing but butthurt?"
Ironic coming from someone praising it as the best Star Wars movie when it's clearly not sitting that well with most audiences.
Not sitting well with most audiences? 93% on Rotten Tomatoes and half the Metacritic bad reviews are because some characters were colored. Seriously? We're not allowed to have colored characters now? Even so it's got a more positive score than negative so don't know what you're arguing there, even with the crybaby "this-movie-made-me-a-whi te-victim" SJWs out there.
And I never once said only positive reviews could be casual fans, you're the elitist, accusing garbage that wrote that with nothing to back it up.
@omnislash generalize much? It's has nothing to do with female leads (rey is actually an incredible lead). it has nothing to do with POC, rose and finn were just useless characters in this and they destroyed Finn re: what JJ did with the character. Luke's arc was great and he's romanticized too much by fans. like i agree with the review 100% and it sums up exactly how i feel.
@Omnislash You're cursing because you are so upset, yet I'm the one who's apparently butthurt. 93% on Rotten Tomatoes means that 93% of critics generally enjoyed the movie. That does not equate to average score, nor does that equate to how the audience feels about the movie. The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes as of this moment sits at 57%, the average rating made by fans is a 3.3/5 on RT. 57% is the lowest score of any Star Wars film to date. Get over it. Rose and Finn were legitimately useless in this film, yet you're blaming the majority of bad reviews on only color. I find it funny how the people who claim to be defending POC are some of the first to ever bring up race in comment sections in the first place. Ironic. Now we know who were dealing with people.
I'm going with the majority. 93% on Rotten Tomatoes. So you're not ruining my experience.
those are critics who disney probably paid off or pressured. they now own 40% of the film industry. I'll go with the fans and the audience because that's what matters and what drives sales.
I enjoyed it, don't know why people are fussing so much. The film had everything, story, humour, action, style and old and new characters.
Yeah I just don't understand people's disappointment with the last Jedi..
If people are saying nothing was explained, then people are not paying attention to star wars properly. I mean sometimes as the saying goes actions speak louder than words and in this films case that was the case. You only had to pay attention to characters movements, there reactions and their choices along the way to realise more was going on than any person can take from just words.
There are many who will get what I'm saying and many who don't but I felt I had enough explained and given to me in story wise through character behaviour and characters words to realise where the next film is going.
Wow this was so bad. Luke vanishes into thin air Yoda looks like a puppet and I could keep going. This is the worse star wars movie ever. What a disgrace.
puppet Yoda i thought was bad CGI when I saw him. legitimately. and force ghosts can't use the force that was bullshit.
I look at the new star wars films the same way I look at dragon ball gt--non cannon. Same with every terminator film after 2.
Completely agree. Now if only this movie wasn't canon.
Long time Star Wars fan. Hated this movie. I feel like they destroyed Luke’s character by turning him into a sad old man. Where’s his resolve? His ability to overcome? Nope, just hides out and shows no real sense of awesome power. Felt like they paid the character no respect.
Rose was a character of no substance. No point to her being in the film. The ‘mission’ with Finn was pointless with no payoff. Del Toro’s code cracker was just a weird, caricature of a character who was unneeded. I hated how Rose took it upon herself to bump Finn out of the way when he had the potential to at least buy them some time. She had no idea thing would play out how they did and basically chose to doom them all.
The ‘dark side’ hole on the jedi planet accomplished two things... Rey got wet falling down there and she got to look at a shiny, reflective wall. Wow... how enlightening.
The Yoda part felt forced and messy. I’m glad Yoda finds it hilarious summoning lighting which causes an explosion that could have killed Luke. Awful.
They should have killed Leia off. Kylo is a whinging child I can’t take seriously as the main villain now after the waste of Snoke.
I was more disappointed walking out of this than I was any of the terrible prequels.
I’m glad some people enjoyed it, but as a fan since I was a kid, I despised this film.
This franchise has been dead to me since Disney retconned thirty years of EU material, which arguably was better than the bowl movement tripe they've come up in place with since. If you're gonna throw away source material, don't make it worse than what was originally conceived.
Look at the crybaby critic that can't take criticism. Irony much?
Theres nothing like a bad rating of a Star Wars movie to bring out the hermits LOL
Look at u all, Ive never seen so many comments on a filmwatch article :)
It's the critics. They just can't stand to be criticized. Ironic. I love laughing at them. They have to defend their silly little opinions as if anything they say matters, or even influences anything that goes on in the world. Just look at how well Star Wars Battlefront 2 did in the NPD results: 2nd behind the monster that is COD WWII.
Their only defenses are ad hominems.
LMFAO!! This movie was pure trash, even with it's 3 good moments. The dialogue & characters were so flat, this made the Last Air Bender a decent movie. The plot was as bad as a Tyler Perry movie!
Abrams puts it on a plate, Rian Johnson takes that plate to a Greek wedding, 40 years of canon made irrelevant.
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