Sony is coming out with the PlayStation Classic, but the only one doing retro games and backward compatibility right is Microsoft's Xbox One.
As if it wasn’t already hard enough to play old PlayStation games like Final Fantasy VI.
I saw this earlier. A whole bunch of purchased PSOne Classics are now "expired" despite being paid for. That had better be a glitch.
Super easy to just pirate them, if this is the case ;). Digital sucks blah blah. Could be because of Sony's impending service/digital infrastructure changes and the "expiration" only being a hitch and remedied later.
I wouldn't blame digital for this, this is a DRM issue and DRM can be on physical or digital copies. A DRM free copy of a digital or physical game should never have this issue.
I didn't blame digital, I figured someone would chime in and shit on digital because there always has to be a war. The typical "you don't OWN the game" argument, and yea DRM is another thing. Hence the remark followed by "blah blah". They're going through some changes for their new services out this June, who knows what's going on in the bones. Remember when people saw PS3(category) games on the PS Store on PS5, something like that? Crazy stuff. Unexplained? 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I don't actually want to jailbreak my PS3 because I like being able to connect to PSN. I use it to play a few games that still have online and occasionally download something from my download list.
What I don't get is, the digital games on those systems don't have internal checks or verifications after download when you buy them. So how that's even happening is a headscratch.
Especially when all mine work right now
Also, pretty sure there are verifications for licenses.... Not sure about Classics, but I've often had to Restore licenses or couldn't launch on another account. There's definitely some encryption going on.. Not sure online checks on purchased content, but definitely verification(or at some point). I've seen expiration dates on games as far back as late years on PS3, but can't remember what content, could have been for PS+, but now I wonder if every game has an internal expiration date. Definitely present on PS4 and PS5.
Eidolon
PS4 and PS5 use a verification system.
On PS3 and Vita it Verifies on Install and that's the end of it. I'm not even just saying this. It's an absolute fact. I just today updated my PS3 and put it online for the first time since 2013 and before I did that, I launched PSOne Classics and PS3 games. The only thing I didn't get to play was my Spyro and FFV which was because they were from PS Plus and THOSE needed verification as the last time I downloaded them on it, my PS Plus expired 2015 so I needed to verify any day after that date, Not a day inbetween. From 2016 ish I took the time to learn how Verification worked on Vita because I had a PS Plus issue where I was going somewhere for a week and my PS Plus expired the day after I left. I had no internet when I left and added a year right before I left. I needed a verification to update the expiry because the system will never check even once until it expires. Which owned games it will never check after installed. That is as long as the account is on the console of course.
I also want to note I own about 75% of PSOne Classics on Vita and PS3. Even a ones that don't work on Vita normally, like in NA Crash and Spyro wasn't on Vita and I have them on mine from the glitch time on PSN and my Crash games never needed verification over the years, updated my vita like 3 months ago after not doing so since 2018 since I only played what was on it anyways.
I tested every game people seem to have issues with including Chrono Cross, trigger, Threads of Fate, etc. None have verification at all. So anyone with the issue is 100% dealing with a glitch
So one person said they played a game just fine, then downloaded the game so they could back up the installer file. Once they downloaded the installer it changed expiration date of the original, already installed copy of the game.
Probably a glitch... I just checked my PSOne Classics in my Vita (fat ver). The PSNplus and purchased ones are working without issues.
Try redownloading one of those games. Don't uninstall it. Just download the installer and see if that triggers it. That's what made a game expire for someone else. Downloading the installer made the already installed copy expire.
Seems like Sony is only having this issue at the moment.
I have games going back to the late 80s on multiple storefronts on PC, and there's not a single game that ever told me I wasn't allowed to play it.
Eat ze bugs. Live in ze pod. You can't play Spyro anymore because ve must sell it to you again.
Na technically you still own it just access it. Beside it probably glitch and also if i paid for it imma emulate it.
I'm going to check too.
Edit: I just tried Street Fighter Alpha 2 and just started Tomb Raider 2 and it works.
Definitely a glitch some maybe having. I tried the same games before signing into my account after years and they were fine. Including Chrono Cross and tried after signing in and updating, Then checked the info and it was fine. I'm assuming maybe it's people downloading and trying to play games now having the glitch. As I don't know how it's possible to have that issue with games that have no verification checks after purchase and download lol
My only digital games are the ones Sony gave us for free after their servers were hacked (Infamous and LittleBigPlanet is what I picked), about 10 PS1 and 1 PS2 game which so happens to be The SpongeBob game Sony removed from the store shortly after release but it still lets me download because I bought it I guess.
Plug-in and play machines like the Atari consoles from the days of yore (early 2000s) have given way to official "mini" consoles from companies like Nintendo, Sega, and now Sony with its recently announced PlayStation Classic. For some, these consoles are an easy way to play licensed retro games with a level of confidence in the quality of the product. But as retro games become hot commodities again, what does this signal for retro gamers and historians?
Quality of product?
For years now emulators had far better quality than any of this classic garbage.
I like that it gives kids an easy way to enjoy some classics that they might not try without this packaged format
These systems are a means to enjoy classic games, legally, without having to invest in the originals hardware, while enjoying something that looks and feels like it to an extent. The PlayStation one has the only official re-release of Tekken 3, so I'm kind of stoked about that.
It’s not analog controllers. It’s not working replica memory cards. It’s not even the lack of an included AC adapter just so you can run the damn thing straight out of the box. What the PlayStation Classic is missing is a huge opportunity: A seeming and total lack of PSN purchase integration, and furthermore, an omission of any kind of digital storefront to add software beyond the 20 included titles.
If you actually had plenty of PS1 games purchased on PSN, why then would you buy this device? Just go play it on your PS3.
I don't understand the downvotes. This little PS1 that contains all these ps1 games is awesome. You can bet even though I own the originals and even some on digital for portable reasons that I will still be buying this because I simply love the Brand and especially first gen ps1 and titles.
It's just a cash grab opportunity since Nintendo showed massive interest in its classic consoles, but the dual joysticks and online store allowing you to buy more games would have been nice, or at least the ability to stream with that useless Playstation Now with all its lag.
@Gaming101
I have that. It's called a PlayStation TV.
- It connected to PSN.
- You could buy downloadable PS1 games.
- It could access PS Now.
- It worked with DualShocks
- It was $99
Nobody bought it.
Because
1. Its awesome
2. I can't get Tekken 3 on any PSN
3. Ridggggeeee Raceeeeeeeeeeeer
4. Its not $599 US dollars
5. Ridggggeeee Raceeeeeeeeeeer
Lol what? This is supposed to be a mini console preloaded with some of the best PS1 hits not a relaunch of the PS1
One of those features I've seen requested was the online store. Kinda makes sense. If you wanted more than the 20 pre-loaded games they gave you then go there and add more yourself. It would generate extra money for Sony, and any third-party developer that signed off on their games. You act like this has to strictly be just an PS1 but smaller sized. It doesn't have the PS1 parts inside of it. They could have one up'd Nintendo.
I wouldn't mind it. That would be a cool extra selling point.
Yeah, but now it's becoming an issue of what people expect from the system, and what Sony is actually offering.
I think people are looking at what this console is not, instead of what it actually is.
I think Sony did drop the ball, as they could have essentially just repackaged the pstv and made it much more versatile and make more money in the long run, but since they didn't do that, people should stop criticizing it as being something it was never intended to be.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Nintendo mini consoles also lack an online store? If so, what's with the criticism against only Sony?
Steven
Nintendo gets automatic passes when it comes to anything old or long living IPs. It's actually dumb. People cried about the price when the PSOne mini will require alot more memory, a stronger base etc. and it's $20 more like Snes was from Nes. Will still have 20 games. etc. Nintendo's was filled with games they'vehad buyable since Wii and no one brings none of these things up until Sony does it. It's actually dumb. I want it for the same reason I got the SNES, I can record it properly and using it like that gives about the most authentic experience you can get outside the real thing. I actually feel like I'm playing SNES with the Mini, so hoe for the same here
Nintendo doesnt get a free pass and they were also criticised for bringing out the minis at a time where they weren't offering VC for Switch.
For some reason people forget these articles and gamers criticisms when those are applied to Sony. Too many people love pretending Sony is always the victim and Nintendo gets a pass. But then they don't mind the 10+ Switch online sux articles this very site receives.
Speaking of which, maybe gamers expect a little more evolution from Sony with their take on the mini console the same way they did with the Vita. Maybe because Sony has a great online network that maybe they could add a way to dl PS1 games to it from PSN.
Nothing wrong with gamers discussing this and it's better than pointing the finger at Nintendo and claiming "if they can do it why not Sony?!?"
It's always funny to see people tell others to stop criticizing sony but then go into other articles and do just that for other companies.
Teflon02 & steven83r You must be living under a rock, because Nintendo have been criticized for not having those features. You assume this is an attack on Sony when it isn't. Are you saying Sony shouldn't have better offerings than Nintendo?! They should! I didn't come out and say this shouldn't be made. I honestly think this and the announcement of PS1 Classic on PS4 would be dope.
Besides, I was merely stated what I've seen people requested, which is true. If you look at anything on Youtube, and other places since this was announced, that's one feature people wanted.
It just so happens I agree with them. Because not everyone wants to hack their systems for more games. Not everyone is going to keep playing the same 20 games without feeling bored. Options are good for everybody. I bet if Sony announced this officially you'd be jumping up and down. But since that didn't happen. You want to silence those that actually want to see Sony evolve and to be better than Nintendo.
Where were these articles when we found out the NES and SNES Minis lack the ability to purchase games on VC? If that criticism applies to the PS1 Classic, it should apply universally to any system that lacks the same feature.
This is how you know people/media hold Sony and Nintendo to 2 different standards. It's so blatantly obvious lately.
I think in this case it's more about that the cool thing to write about now is anything negative towards Sony. This probably generates that most clicks for these sites, because people like to feed the trolls.
Hating on Nintendo only brings in the rabid Nintendo fans, and while there aren't a small number of those, most Nintendo fans aren't that rabid and their numbers is forums....or at least the ones that bother with sites like these, is nowhere near the number of Sony fans....combined with the rabid Xbox fans who are happy to jump on something negative about Sony.
basically, its easier to bait the console war between Sony and MS, and its only sometimes easy to bait Nintendo fans, as Nintendo fans haven't been as big in the console war for a while now. No offense to the Nintendo fans here though, it's just the history between MS and Sony has been stronger this past decade or so.
Yup especially when I hacked my SNES mini and see it still had 500mb of free space to add games. I added likee 15 more and 10 GBA titles and still have 300+mb lol. But they're going to always give Nintendo passes where no one else gets
To add digital you would have to add networking functionality to it, which would hike the price up.
You have to remember this product isn't actually for the hardcore gamer, it's for the gift giving holiday season.
Its simple and clean and its exactly how it should be so any consumer, whether hardcore gamer, casual gamer to a returning nostalgic fan.
You start adding online functionality it hikes up the price but it also hikes up the complexity.
The average gamer like you and i can understand it easy, but you know there are regular gamers who don't know what digital stores are, what things like Xbox game pass are, some consumers don't realise all of the options that are available.
K.I.S.S my friend, simple features, show big benefits to consumers.
You know we are going to just get a PSone classic next year with analog sticks right?
Also hopefully Sony will get PS1 digital purchases onto PS4 eventually.
They made a lot of dumb decisions this generation, mostly before Spencer. But the two things I think they've done right are their backwards compatibility stance and cloud saves. I still couldn't believe I was playing Panzer Dragoon Orta the other day on the x with udpated graphics. It was a surreal treat, and best of all free, given that I still had my copy. And even without a gold membership, every game save is automatically uploaded to the cloud. They've been doing that since the 360. Which is why if you own a 360 digital game and it shows up on the download list once it's compatible, you can pick up where you left off in your last game save, so long as you were connected to Live the last time you played it.
*Grabs popcorn*
"...the only one doing retro games and backward compatibility right is Microsoft's Xbox One."
That's because MS aint pushing out the bulk of new games until next gen.