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Sony’s stalling tactics on cross-play worked

The issue of cross-platform play on the PlayStation 4 no longer seems as pressing.

Neonridr2080d ago

I am sure when another premier title comes along that won't allow cross play between PS4 and other console owners we will see some more articles. I think the message was delivered and it's up to Sony to decide if they want to change that. I for one don't care if Sony doesn't support crossplay with other consoles. I never had an issue with that, sure it would have been nice, but that's their choice. My issue was them locking my 3rd party account to their hardware. That's a different issue than supporting crossplay, and one that shouldn't be supported.

Skull5212080d ago

A story doesn't stay a story forever. When the PS5 is announced and the issue of crossplay comes up we'll get to re-live it again. Just be patient, it isn't over.

Mr_cheese2080d ago

I don't think cross play has ever been a major issue, it's certainly not a deal breaker. I always feel subjects like these are trends that are mostly to do with clicks.

Feels like polygons attempting to reignite something that was never really on fire.

DarXyde2079d ago

If it was a dealbreaker, PS4 sales would have slowed down. They haven't. At this point, it's quite rare for a console gamer to not have a PS4, so it's realistically not a substantial issue at all.

I'm guessing this is one of those features that is "widely requested", but rarely used.

tontontam02079d ago

Sony is doing the right thing

they are actually doing it for the benefit of the xbox hardcore community. those hardcore xbox fanboys hates other systems so much, why the hell would they want to play with people on other platforms.

StormSnooper2079d ago

It’s over because the whole thing was fabricated.

chrisco84au2079d ago

@Skull,
You give off the impression that you are 'looking forward' to the next cross-play 'controversy'?

Firstly, I do not believe there is a cross-play 'issue'. It seems more a way for sites to get clicks and people to incite pointless flame wars and finger pointing.

Secondly, you mention the PS5. I for one will be much more interested in the specs, price and games available when the PS5 hits.... Cross-play will be very far down the list of things that are important to me concerning the PS5.

Srhalo2079d ago

When PS5 releases I doubt people buying a PS5 are going to be buying it to play with xbox owners, if they wanted to play with xbox owners they would buy an xbox. And crossplay isn't going to be a selling point for xbox if they aren't crossplay with PS4.

Sales pitch: "Xbox we have crossplay with all the same platforms PlayStation does!"

trooper_2079d ago (Edited 2079d ago )

It isn't over for people who keep whining about it?

Good to know.

Wake me up when people buy consoles for crossplay.

Cryptcuzz2079d ago

If it does come up anytime soon or when the PS5 is out, I will just shrug it off like I am doing now. Never had an issue with finding people to play with. I mainly play with my brothers and real life friends anyways.

Imagine a world where games are universal across all platforms. Then you'll have toxicity in online game forums to a whole new level. Even platform specific clans, lobbies, etc.

I, for one, find that counter intuitive.

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Rude-ro2079d ago

ALL third party games are third party accounts. Has been this whole gen.
Ea, Ubisoft, activision....
The issue is the media attack on a new approach that Sony actually started doing first last gen.
So the question is, who is dictating this scenario and what are they after? Microsoft.
These are billion dollar companies and Microsoft is the leading marketing advertising media outlet that is not an actual gaming company.
Sony introduces the notion last gen... any media sites explode with anger and rants? Nope.
Sony offered it first via pc... any noise? No?
Sony has more crossplay titles period.. no? Still their nasty ways?
Microsoft does the EXACT same thing with play anywhere... where you have to buy and own the Xbox copy to “play anywhere”... any noise? No?
Pubg? Been around on pc... still had to buy the Xbox version and start all your progress over? No noise.
That’s the issue.

subtenko2079d ago

yea exactly screw em. I dont even wanna play with xbox people after whining so much EVERYWHERE. There would be a post about tetris VR or something and some dum dum would be like "cross playyyy, sony is unfair!!!" No thanks, you can play by yourself at that point on your own console.

4 The Players!

Eonjay2079d ago

And PUBG shows us just how much of a massive lie this whole thing is. Microsoft can get a way with blocking PC accounts on Xbox and not a single f*ck is given. Thats why I am glad why Sony has not budged. Because this whole thing is fake and only seems to apply to Sony. This article says that Microsoft is 'going the future of gaming'. I have said time and time again that the reason why Micosoft can't beat Sony is because Sony has to actually earn praise. Microsoft doesn't have to do anything but PR.

Death2079d ago

@Eonjay,

Microsoft can’t beat Sony in sales. They can beat them in features, options and performance though. It really depends on what you want.

As for those that cheer when Sony doesn’t offer a feature or service as an option, you are getting what you want.

ShottyatLaw2079d ago

Most people are indifferent, which is what makes the idea that there is some big financial reason to block it so laughable.

Talks will fire up again when the next big title to use it hits. The biggest shift we saw came when Nintendo got involved. I think that grabbed attention because a lot of Switch owners also have PS4s, and locking out those Fortnite accounts was a bad move.

Outside of the small pockets of defend-at-all-costs Fandom, the consensus is similar to Ninja's comments here, and other large influencers on YouTube and Twitter. Now we just have to convince those diehards to quit advocating against something they supposedly don't care about.

Eonjay2079d ago

The PlayStation 4 was still the best selling console in June at the height of this supposed controversy. Like you said most people are indifferent. This whole thing seems like a controversy manufactured by Microsoft and Nintendo to come up with something, anything, to stick it to a competitor that frankly they can't compete with. PS4 already crossplays with PC and mobile and the fact of the matter is that PS4 currently has a larger community that Xbox and Switch combined (you know, the two parties crying foul). Crossplay isn't the future, gamers are the future and consumers have already chosen with their wallets.

Never before have I seen an effort to force a company to give in to competitors demands. This is why I support Sony's business decision to, you know, run its business. If people weren't so indifferent and there truly was some huge consumer outcry, that would be different, but that is not what this is.

In the article he states: "Until fans make it clear that the situation is intolerable, Sony has no reason to change — and that’s a message that can only be sent with their wallets."

This is the point. He just needs to replace the word 'fans' with 'consumers'. Consumers don't care so therefore there is no need for Sony to share its community that it worked hard to build with Microsoft. I submit that the competition is asking for a handout.

ShottyatLaw2079d ago

Yep, PS4 is doing great, and it already offers Crossplay with PC. Those are two additional reasons why the "business interests" excuse is just as weak as the other excuses.

It is what it is. It is an inevitability imo, and will be common in the future. The walled gardens are slowly opening up, which, as a consumer, I'm happy about.

Maybe it is a great conspiracy like you claim. That sounds dumb to me, but to each their own. It's cool that they got 3rd party devs, pubs, streamers, and journalists on board with their great secret plot.

If you want to support Sony for locking out accounts or BSing us about worrying about the kiddos, then go ahead. But to me, the benefits to the consumer outweigh any allegiance you should have to a corporation. Just my opinion, though.

If indifference is how most feel, then I question how much effort they put into defending Sony on the topic.

Eonjay2079d ago

"If indifference is how most feel, then I question how much effort they put into defending Sony on the topic."

If indifference is how most feel, then I question why we are talking about it like Sony NEEDS to change their stance? Accepting a decision that they are obviously no comfortable with when no one really gives a damn make less sense.

ShottyatLaw2079d ago

I'm not sure who "we" are, but I know that I talk about it like Sony should change because it's better for me, a consumer, if they did. I'm personally not indifferent myself. I see most are indifferent, though, and that's cool.

Not sure about you and some others, though. I don't think your comments are a sign of indifference. It's a sign of something else...and advocating AGAINST something that is inconsequential at worst is not something consumers should be doing to one another.

Death2079d ago

@Eonjay,

Sales don’t necessarily equate quality. McDonalds sells more burgers than anyone else, that doesn’t make them the best burgers.

Competitors are not demanding crossplay. Developers and gamers are. Your arguments are nonsense. You saying you don’t want it is irrelevant. You can’t have it.

Why o why2079d ago (Edited 2079d ago )

Lol. McDonalds. . . . .

Bruv. . The ps is dunking on the Xbox because of quality. What your implying. . Ms are gourmet burger or something. Some of you guys have nothing but your biases. . You do not care for cross play other than the fact it can be used as a segway for anti Sony vitriol.

Please get Microsoft to remove the paywall to 'free to play' games whilst you're at it. Maybe get your house in order before you preach to others.

Now, I'll address the genuine people. . (When you've been on n4g long enough, you KNOW who's who)

I hope Sony consider cross play or at least clear up why they've been at the forefront of cross play all gen with pc but not with ms and Nintendo.

Oh. . . I didn't know about that issue with pubg regarding pc and Xbox. . . .contingency kept that one quiet didn't they or is it a blind eye. .I'm not sure. .

Neonridr2079d ago

surprisingly it's the devs that have been more vocal than MS or Nintendo though.

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tontontam02079d ago

"My issue was them locking my 3rd party account to their hardware. That's a different issue than supporting crossplay, and one that shouldn't be supported."

your issue was not reading the terms before accepting.

Neonridr2079d ago

they are setting a precedent here. How come my Epic account doesn't get locked to my Switch if I use it? Or if I had an XB1? Why is it only on the PS4 that the account becomes hardware locked (console wise).

Never once have we seen this before. Maybe you are ok with it, but I am not. I should be able to play games wherever I want, I shouldn't lose out on stuff I buy for my 3rd party account because it was on different hardware.

sonarus2079d ago

All this stuff is weak bs corporate propaganda. I remember last gen PS3 was the open console allowing for mods and stuff on the console and don’t talked it up while ms evaded the issue in the end nothing changed. Ms offering cross play is great for them Sony won’t be doing it though

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strayanalog2080d ago

No financial reason. I personally don't care either way, but, admittedly, blocking PS4 Fortnite players to use their account on Switch is still a d*ck move.

strayanalog2079d ago

Well Sarcastic Sally, you're missing the point, as lighthearted as your comment is. Throwing any kind of limitations on the community isn't something to applaud, whether we use the feature or not. And although I don't play Fortnite, I sympathize with its fanbase knowing that one day I, too, could be angry that a platform I own won't let me use a feature that other consoles have. Of course, this is made all the more ironically regrettable because it's the company that claims it's "for the players."‎

nowitzki20042079d ago

Name all the other major games that allow you to use you account on all systems.

strayanalog2079d ago

You know just as well as I that there isn't one, but that's the point, nowitzki. Fortnite is a metaphorical cross-play barrier because it is on all three consoles, which is why it's a "greatest hits" on the feature.
All it takes is one game that all of the Big 3 could cross-play on and the community could truly benefit from online multiplayer by helping it take the next step.‎

aconnellan2079d ago

“Name all the other major games that allow you to use you account on all systems.”

Ah I get it. The old “no one else does it, so we shouldn’t try new things”. Works out great every time hey

r2oB2079d ago

@ aconnellan

More like the old “Nobody cared that you couldn’t use an account on all systems before, but now that it could be used against Sony everybody cares”. If you are going to complain about Sony, complain about Microsoft not allowing it with PUBG.

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Goldby2079d ago

Expecting cross progression on a game that doesn't support it for the platform is a dick move.

Where's the hate for pubg? Or every battlefield or cod? Where is their cross progression?

TekoIie2079d ago (Edited 2079d ago )

Sorry but no ones talking about those games because they're not crossplay, but if you want to promote a false standard go for it. I can jump between Switch and Xbox One no problem but as soon as a PS4 is thrown into the mix things are all of a sudden locked to the PS4 and unusable on any other console. And, it just so happens that Sony is currently giving all the pushback with crossplay...

BUT SONY DIN DO NUTHIN. ITS ALL EPIC OR MAYBE MS. OMG ITS ALL MICROSOFT BACKROOM DEALZ CONSPIRACY/s

Goldby2079d ago

@tekolie.

Ps4 and pc have the cross progression. So the content is locked to those platforms.

Ps4 doesn't have cross progression with Xbox or switch, so why are you expecting it to have that.

Its in the same boat as the other whether or not cod or battlefield is crossplay.
I'm not talking about playing with other platforms. But using content between platforms.

It doesn't matter if the game is being talked about or not, cross progression only works on the platforms it's available for. And in ps4's case that only with pc.

strayanalog2079d ago

I hear you. PUBG is an exclusive, so that's on Microsoft, ‎but the multiplatform titles like Battlefield and Call of Duty aren't on Switch. ‎Fortnite is just a metaphorical cross-play barrier right now because it's popular, and it happens to be on all three consoles.
If all three consoles had cross-play then I'm sure Activision and EA would take that step. I just think that p‎utting limitations on the community is upsetting when we could have more.‎

TekoIie2079d ago (Edited 2079d ago )

@Goldby

"Ps4 doesn't have cross progression with Xbox or switch, so why are you expecting it to have that."

Because its being done with the Xbox one and Switch. So why would it be unreasonable to expect it for the PS4? Don't talk about things that arent happening and deflect away from the issue by bringing up COD and BF. Talk about the actual incident because what you're bringing up isn't analogous.

So far the evidence suggests that Sony is blocking users from using their data on other consoles even if that data "originated" on another console. That's how it looks and there's no denying it.

Goldby2078d ago

@tekolie

Its unreasonable because it isn't implemented, due to many reasons.

Is it unreasonable to take a gasoline car and expect diesel to work in it because other cars can use diesel? "

Is it unreasonable to think because it's legal to smoke weed in one country that it's the same in every country?

TekoIie2078d ago (Edited 2078d ago )

@Goldby

Congratulations you've deflected again by trying to make analogies that dont work.

"Is it unreasonable to think because it's legal to smoke weed in one country that it's the same in every country?"

It is if when you step back across the border to the legal country you cant smoke weed because you spent 5 seconds in another that prohibits it.

"Is it unreasonable to take a gasoline car and expect diesel to work in it because other cars can use diesel? "

Terrible analogy. Doesn't even work with this.

Like i said you wont actually address the facts. You just want to deflect.

Goldby2078d ago

What ever man, you simply choose not to look at this from A logical position and expecr that everything works the way you want it to.

Reality check, that rarely happens in life.

But hey, it's hard enough trying to explain to a kid why they can't have Ice cream before dinner, seems to be the same here with you.

Why should sony help ms at all when all ms has been doi g this gen is try and bad mouth sony?

If you talked shit about me, why on earth would I want to help you?

TekoIie2078d ago

@Goldby

"What ever man, you simply choose not to look at this from A logical position and expecr that everything works the way you want it to."

Nope, i just asked you to address a simple fact. You tried to jump around it and im bringing you back to it. If you cant handle that then good luck ever having your feet held to the fire in the real world because its gonna sting real hard.

"Why should sony help ms at all when all ms has been doi g this gen is try and bad mouth sony?"

Haven't argued that so dont know why you're bringing it up. I dont want to help MS, Sony or Nintendo. Im interested as a consumer that Sony has a policy that's only purpose is to be restrictive and if you want to defend that its fine. Just remember to stfu whenever you have a similar issue elsewhere pal.

Goldby2078d ago

Im guessing than (and probably reaching very far) that you also have an issue with ms forcing Nintendo users to sign into xbl for Minecraft. That policy was only put in place to make ms more money. Cuz remember, ms measures it's success based on of MAU.

Ans if someone who doesn't even own an Xbox is forced to sign into xbl for the game it only helps ms look better by adding yo their MAU.

They didn't have to do that, but chose to for their company's future.

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Realms2079d ago

Poor Fornite players that get to play the game for free, it's stupid not many games let you transfer data from one platform to another so why are people crying? Start a new account no one is taking your stuff from you it's still there, it may be an inconvenience but some of the blame should fall on Epic for not stating that clearly enough before people went off spending money on crap that is tied to a specific account because that is why people are bitching right.

Neonridr2079d ago

If I have ever purchased or unlocked anything on my Epic account and then link it to my PS4, I cannot use the same account on my Switch. I would have to re-buy that stuff or start all over to unlock stuff again.

Why is it only on the PS4 that this happens? How come no other console locks the account to their hardware? How is this Epic's choice when it clearly doesn't happen with other hardware? Obviously this was Sony's request to ensure that once people played on their system they stayed on their system.

AspiringProGenji2080d ago (Edited 2080d ago )

Xbox used Crossplay controversy,

It had no effect on PS4 hype and sales

OB1Biker2080d ago (Edited 2080d ago )

It's ironical that a year ago Xbox was bragging about Pubg exclusivity but then moved to championing 'let's all play Fortnite together'. Haha

Silly Mammo2079d ago

I believe this is one of MS's biggest problems this generation. They can't seem to stick with their own messages. They're all over the place and their message just keeps changing.

subtenko2079d ago

Exactly. I even asked Nintendo could they do crossplay and bring Smash to PS4 and Xbox

Im serious,lol. If only Tekken, MK, SF, JAllstars, and PSAllstars just combined their offshoot dlc characters in a smash like game we'd be cool

4 The Players

Death2079d ago

It’s ironic that you don’t understand exclusives vs multiplats. Crossplay isn’t an option for an exclusive game, but it is something that can be done on games that are multi platform. This isn’t a mixed message from Microsoft, it’s a ridiculous argument from someone that clearly ran out of factual things to complain about.

OB1Biker2079d ago (Edited 2079d ago )

@Death
You seem offended?
Bragging of excluding the PS community of a mp game is totally the opposite of promoting crossplay between consoles just like you explained. Its a perfect example of irony especially given the competive nature of PUBG vs Fortnite in the Battle Royal genre. And I'm not complaining. I find it amusing in case you didn't get it. I'm no keyboard warrior.

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gangsta_red2079d ago

How did Xbox use it when it was mostly third parties wanting it from Sony?

And why would it have any effect on PS4 sales and if it doesn't then why doesn't Sony just allow it?

AspiringProGenji2079d ago

How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren’t real?

gangsta_red2079d ago

How can you explain but say nothing?

2pacalypsenow2080d ago

Been saying this since day 1.

Crossplay is not as big a deal as people made it seem.

sammarshall1022080d ago

Yeah I can see if there wasn't a big player base for most AAA PS4 games but there's more than enough people to play against

G3ng4r2080d ago

Bethesda might disagree. If missing out on games because your brand is arrogant isn't a big deal to you it's all fine. We could talk again once you've missed a few more.

2pacalypsenow2080d ago

What games is Sony missing.

jimbost792080d ago

Think he means that shitty card game

sactownlawyer9162080d ago (Edited 2080d ago )

There is literally zero chance of Bethesda keeping their big triple AAA games off PlayStation. They sell way more copies of games on PlayStation than Xbox. They would lose tens of millions of dollars.

Goldby2079d ago

@G3ng4R

yet people dont seem to have an issue with Final Fantasy 14 not being on Xbox b/c of their reluctance to join the crossplay, instead they wanted their own servers

2pacalypsenow2079d ago (Edited 2079d ago )

Bethesda couldn’t care less if people can play with each other. Unless it affects sales, which it won’t.

Do you really think they will ignore the console with the highest user base, because of crossplay?

The console that gets them majority of their sales, do you really think they would do this?

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Vizigoth042080d ago

I don't think Sony wants to invest in Crossplay with these throw away games. Fortnight might be all the rage now, but it won't be when the next major game comes out next year or year after that and become the next big thing and Fortnight squanders to low and barren population once the fad lifts.

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Chard2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

I never got around to mass effect - I’m skeptical that it would hold up if I were to try it now

Furesis1h ago

I would say it does. The combat is a bit shit for todays standards but everything else is great.