@tyasia ...exactly..what they r talking about ? ...the only butthurt here are a minority of Xone owners that dont even cared to play crossplay with PS4 users ...just trash the other side.....as long PS4 remains stable to its thesis , the result will be even more positive for its playerbase than negative, as it willeven further augment it ...Most players from other systems will start t jump ship to join the strongest player network with the real and most exclusives..... is that simple ..

Why? #4ThePlayers

The demand for this isn't coming from PlayStation gamers so........why should Sony care?

I don't even think it's about publishers at this stage - think about the games and their number of players.

For Honor is pretty much dead on PC, to the point where I had friends that couldn't find 4v4 matches a couple of weeks after release. On console, I have no problem finding a game.

Imagine combining PC/PS4/Xbox - it's not about which publisher would benefit, but it's the fact that the life of the game itself would be extended that much longer, simply because there's more people to play with

@Razzer
"The demand for this isn't coming from PlayStation gamers so........why should Sony care?"

My goodness you guys are just acting like scrooge here. The DEVELOPER want it and did you sit down with every PS4 owner and ask them if they want it or not? So stop with the ignorance of I only care about myself attitude.

Why weren't you guys this resistant to crossplay with the PC? I never heard anyone say nobody wants that. You guys take console wars to a whole new level.

"The truth is that cross-play hurts the market leader, which in this case refers to Sony. "

It doesn't hurt anyone other than Sony's image and the fanboys looking like selfish children not wanting to play with anyone. Sony is going to win this generation regardless, it's just so funny seeing you guys squirm because Sony is getting negative attention about it. Which goes to show you are taking it way too personal.

Moldy, you really think your opinion of Sony gamers means jack shit? You are 100% microsoft. Only interest you have in whining about how horrible anything playstation is.

This is console war made up bullshit with MS waving the banner cuz they need this a hell of a lot more than Sony.

@blue
@tyasia,

MS doesnt need the PS gamers. They have PC and Nintendo do cross play. That's enough. Playstation guys would just be mad they was losing all the time to Xbox players anyway..Lol.

@Razzer
"This is console war made up bullshit with MS waving the banner cuz they need this a hell of a lot more than Sony."

You guys seemed to think it was a good feature back in 2010 and until now never had a problem with crossplay with the PC, so what's the problem with playing against Nintendo and Xbox?

http://n4g.com/news/547229/...

@Moldy

Because ms shot Sony proposal down.

"Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability"

http://kotaku.com/5813740/i...

Now MS is trying to take credit for once thought good idea.

It could be good for fan service perhaps.

Sony would allow cross platform with switch if microsoft get out of the way

Don't know what "you guys" you are talking about. See my name in that link anywhere? PC isn't a corporate competitor of PS. You know damn well these are business strategies for both MS and Sony.

@ Moldy

Answer this question why didn't MS want cross play last gen? The same reason why Sony doesn't want cross play with MS this gen because they don't want MS to get access to their player base get over it PS fans aren't the one's asking for this feature. No matter how anti gamer you want to make it seem most PS gamers just don't care is that so hard to believe.

@Realms
"Answer this question why didn't MS want cross play last gen?"

Different leadership, Microsoft is not static. They are also a lot more open now, same with Nintendo who also admits they too want to be more open,

https://venturebeat.com/201...

Read the interview, it makes me want to support Nintendo products more and support Sony products less. So tell me again how this benefits Sony?

Shame Sony has gone the other way and even worse you guys trying to protect them when if this was Microsoft you guys would be all over them if Nintendo and Sony had a partnership and Microsoft said no.

"The same reason why Sony doesn't want cross play with MS this gen because they don't want MS to get access to their player base get over it PS fans aren't the one's asking for this feature. No matter how anti gamer you want to make it seem most PS gamers just don't care is that so hard to believe."

What access? The makers of Rocket League are not sharing data with them. Were PS fans asking for PC crossplay? And yes, some Playstation fans do want it no matter how much you want to speak on their behalf. Some already said even on this site. How about you take a poll on the official Sony forums and let me know how it goes? Tell me, what exactly is the downside other than Sony staining their image? There really is no reason at all for you guys to be supporting this stance of theirs.

@Razzer - missing the point that not allowing it marginalizes the Sony player base. Why should they not be allowed to play against Nintendo, MS or PC friends simply because it favors Sony bottom line?

When does it become a player base thing versus a company bottom line?

From a player side of the picture, I see no negative to being allowed to increase my multiplayer available competition.

Couldn't imagine doubling the number of playable servers simply by allowing Sony, Nintendo, MS and PC to all play against each other being a bad thing. And for sure some interesting competitions would arise that I would love to see.

One word "politics".

For cross play, you have to applications (in this case games) that communicate with each other. The problem you have is who actually owns the servers and how tightly you want integration with applications on other servers. Sounds simple? Well in many ways it is but like I said originally "politics".

Without getting too technical you basically need one server per geographical location such that the latency (ie. time for information to be sent and received) is acceptable to all users.

BTW. To those players that think it possible to play with players on the other side of the world think again our planet is 40 million meters in circumference and considering the speed of light at 300 million m/sec has not been repealed so a signal that needs to travel about half that distance and back again will take about one-seventh of a second and that is assuming perfect conditions Anyone who is into FPS games will tell you that a 0.15 seconds response time is pretty abysmal.

@bluefox755

You are quite right except for a few most PS4 players don't really care for cross-platform play when they have millions of people to play with anyway.

Its all the xbox fans and nintendo fans trying to ask for it loool

Oh please. If PS required Xbox gamers to login with a PS account, Microsoft would say hell no.

@Goldby

For Minecraft that's true, so I can see Sony staying away from that one.

For Rocket League you don't need one though

@septic

How would they 'give' their userbase to MS by allowing cross play? I honestly dont get it.

If cross play was brought in, all MS would have to do is sell the X1 console at a significant amount less than ps4 and the players whom are raving right now about how great cross play would be, would consider buying the cheaper system. Or new people new to console gaming would choose the cheaper option.

So yeah, Sony would be "giving" away their own userbase and revenues.

Now these guys think MS is after PS gamers with cross play. Lol...
Alot of Shook Ones here.

@Goldby
"crossplatform is available through Xbox Live. which is telling me, that i would have to have an xbox live account to be able to play it with other platforms, thus helping Ms with their total active user announcements."

Why are you ignoring other developers who would never require such a thing? Why is this now about Microsoft when years ago the makers of Pure Chess tried to get Sony onboard and play with Wii U owners and Sony ignoring them too? You guys keep going in circles with your responses, which I'm sure Sony is thankful for.

"Sony doesn't want to give Ms 60+ million additional users, becuase they probablty wouldn't only brag about having more active users than all of playstation, but also how fast they managed to get those extra accounts."

Can you just stop talking like a loyal fan for a minute and see the broader picture here? The DEVELOPER wants to implement this, they say it will create better matchmaking for everyone and offer more skill based gamers. You going on and on about console sdales doesn't really mean much because software sales do not have a 1:1 attach ratio. Games like Titanfall 2 could really benefit from larger pools of players for EVERYONE.

Now let's talk about Minecraft, the pool of players are not on the PS4, so by your reasoning Sony would be benefitting and you would as well because you would be getting the new upgrade to Minecraft. It's going to get dedicated server support and 4K support and other upgrades, plus the game would really benefit from crossplay with all gamers. You guys are acting like scrooges here.

"its all about Pr and wording."

From you? Nintendo is onboard as is the PC and Xbox, not sure why you guys have a problem with it.

@goldby, does minecraft require a switch owner to have a gold live account or will silver work? Making a silver account costs nothing and can be done on a PC. MS is making the $$ from the sale of the game (and xb live gold users of course) so they could cover the online fees for PC and switch users... I would imagine.

Except Sony never said anything about cross-play last gen, that was gen 6. Not a damn thing. Dunno how you can come up with that argument.

People keep ignoring Rocket League and how it doesn't require Xbox Live. How many times will that have to be drummed into people??

It's a shoddy excuse and an erroneous one. Stop using it.

People are less likely to buy an xbox iff they can play cross play. make no sense just because they are playing on live

as far as I'm concerned ffxiv is still not on xbox because of ms rejecting YoshiP like @zekk said. He said he will still try to get it there but nothing has come of it yet. Recently he stated he still wants it on as many platforms as possible too so that is all on MS

Stop lying to yourself and others don't hate.

Ken Kutaragi was basically telling people that PS3 was going to be more expensive than the ($199) Dreamcast, ($299) PS2 or the ($299-$399) Xbox 360. Coming in at ($499-$599 with Bluray) because everything, including BC, was built in.
http://community.us.playsta...

Unlike having to buy expensive Wi-Fi adapters, expensive proprietary HDDs or memory cards on Xbox 360. Obviously, being more than ($199-$299), you would have to work and save a little more to get it.**NO WHERE** does he say "get a second job." Stop lying.

As for the topic, cross play is not even in the top 50 most requested features on PS4. I'm not even sure if it's in the top 100
https://share.blog.us.plays...

It would be cool to have cross play across all technology from phones, PC, tablets and consoles, but it's not that big a deal when cross play is already offered with PC. And Sony has the biggest community at 60 million potential players.

@Apocalypse Shadow
"Ken Kutaragi was basically telling people that PS3 was going to be more expensive than the ($199) Dreamcast, ($299) PS2 or the ($299-$399) Xbox 360. Coming in at ($499-$599 with Bluray) because everything, including BC, was built in. "

And everything is included in the Xbox One X for cheaper yet you aren't promoting that are you? And unlike the PS3 during the first 2 years the games on the Xbox One X will not be inferior.

"Unlike having to buy expensive Wi-Fi adapters, expensive proprietary HDDs or memory cards on Xbox 360. Obviously, being more than ($199-$299), you would have to work and save a little more to get it.**NO WHERE** does he say "get a second job." Stop lying."

The original Xbox had built in broadband, a hard drive and 4 way controller ports for the same price, what's your point other to to constantly bring up weak arguments to somehow deflect what this topic is about?

"As for the topic, cross play is not even in the top 50 most requested features on PS4. I'm not even sure if it's in the top 100"

BC and changing PSN ID's are, what's your point again other than Sony doesn't listen regardless? You are not here to discuss anything, the only reason you are here is to deflect any negative attention Sony may get. This position Sony has taken now is going to hurt their image which is a shame considering how well they have handled the PS4 since it was released. The arrogant Sony is back and them dismissing BC and EA Access while promoting Playstataion Now and then looking like fools when questioned about crossplay is not going to go away. Which is a good thing and one day you will agree too because it will make them a better company in the end. They took a lot of flack over the PS3 but listened and made a better product. Arrogance will only get you so far.

There is also a petition that has over 2,000 signatures so far

https://www.change.org/p/so...

Ask and ye shall receive. "Microsoft won't let Sony players play against them," Rodberg said, before suggesting we change the topic to something less sensitive.
http://kotaku.com/5813740/i...

http://gizmodo.com/111266/p...
Link broke. But here's another.

Moldy, you don't even know what you're talking about. Don't hate talked about PS3 and getting a second job. When Ken never said that.

As for Xbox one x, yes, everything is included. Including Bluray that Microsoft was against and released HD DVD. Where is it now? In the garbage bin. Like Kinect. Enjoy that Bluray that PlayStation gamers supported for bigger game files.

Yes, Xbox had a HDD and Ethernet port. Then, they figured they can sell you all the parts separately. Even the DS and PSP has Wi-Fi built in. Thanks for telling me Microsoft wanted to rip gamers off.

Lol! Lmao!!!

2,000 or 6,000 out of this many players/owners or more?
https://www.polygon.com/201...

Lol!!!!! Lol!!! You're not helping yourself. Most Sony fans don't care to play with your smaller communities. Now it's like you're begging..

@Apocalypse Shadow
"Most Sony fans don't care to play with your smaller communities. Now it's like you're begging."

Like I said, you are only here to try and deflect Sony getting any negative attention. You guys want this to be all about Microsoft because Sony and its loyal fans view them as their arch nemesis. Never wanting to talk about the game developers and what they want. Never willing to see the bigger picture, just wanting to shelter themsleves within the Playstation universe. Even going as far as rejecting improvements to Minecraft, the worlds biggest game, because of what?

Funny to see the reaction when they posed no resistance at all having the PC onboard even though Sony created the PS4 Pro to prevent them from going to that platform. Just more flip flops, just like protecting its users because children also play Minecraft.

Oh well, the more other developers chime in the better. It only makes Sony's position look even all the more sillier. Sadly though some developers are probably afraid to say anything since Sony does offer them the most potetial software sales. But this is what happens when you bully your position and make your own customerts feel like hostages.

Correction moldy
https://mojang.com/2016/06/...

2-6 thousand out of millions is nothing. Absolutely nothing. The majority don't care for cross play. You only care because Microsoft cares. But I'd bet you didn't care last gen. Bet you didn't care this gen all the way up to Microsoft wanting to. As usual, you have fake concern.

@Apocalypse Shadow
"The majority don't care for cross play."
http://n4g.com/news/2072353...
Who are you to speak on behalf of the majority, where is your petition?

"You only care because Microsoft cares. But I'd bet you didn't care last gen."

Of course I cared because I was part of the crossplay crowd for Shadowrun, a game that I enjoyed many years ago but it was terribly marketed and Microsoft got away from PC gaming back then. So don't tell me what I cared about or what other people care about.

"As usual, you have fake concern."

Tell us, what is your input in all of this aside from standing firm with Sony? You do know it's ok to call them out on things and act like a consumer from time to time. This would be like me telling everyone nobody cares about RRoD on the Xbox 360 and it didn't affect me so why should I care. Your stance is absolutely ridiculous and further supports that you are either an employee of Sony's or an extreme fan, which is it?

What you are saying to everyone is developers shouldn't care, Nintendo shouldn't care, and the PC platform including Sweeney and all the rest of them who bring it up shouldn't care either because you don't.

http://n4g.com/news/547229/...

You guys cared about it back then, what happened? The Xbox and Nintendo got involved and now it's taboo?

https://venturebeat.com/201...

Nintendo seems to get it, too bad you guys don't. Makes me want to buy their products more, all you are telling me is I shouldn't be supporting Sony.

Now look at what Tim Sweeney is saying,

https://imgur.com/vMnCmrQ

But you think it's bad busniess, lol.

@Shadow,

http://archive.fortune.com/...

Conceding that the PS3 is "very expensive," Ken Kutaragi, head of Sony's games business, told a Japanese Web site earlier this year that he expects "consumers to think to themselves, 'I will work more hours to buy one.' We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."

Death, I want you to go ahead and disagree with yourself so I won't have to.

Anywhere in that link you posted does Ken Kutaragi say:

" get a second job."

If you can find anywhere in your link that Ken said get a second job, I'll buy you a Vive. Since he didn't say it, you get nothing.

He said "I will work more hours to get one" meaning PS3 was not going to cost the traditional $299 price. How people can't figure that out and see **second job** blows my mind.

What glasses are you wearing? What the prescription?

@Shadow,

All I did was post a link and a quote. I didn't write anything. I'm not sure what you guys are disagreeing with. I simply posted the information you were debating about.

@death you're presenting that information in some attempt to disprove people who are saying that he never said to get a second job, so your attempt at being coy has failed.

The fact is: he never told people to or said "get a second job."

Here are the 10 most requested features on PS4
https://share.blog.us.plays...

1. PSN ID Change
2. Offer purchasing and ownership of games on PS Now
3. PS4 compatibility with g25 steering wheel
4. DualShock 4 compatibility for PS Vita Remote Play
5. Persian language for PS4
6. PS4 notifications for friends sign-on/offs
7. PS2 Games on PS4
8. Delete trophies with 0%
9. Arabic language and keyboard support
10. PS4 Trophy tracking

Cross play with Xbox Live is no where in sight.

Everyone else accepted though. And not all crossplay games are microsoft games.

@tank

Ohh, classy, an insult! Way to win an argument! *clap, clap*

Anyways, doesn't change the fact that quite a few people that seem to post the most about these type of issues do not play much on PS4. One of them is all over any PS4 article with several negative comments per article and doesn't even own a current gen console. It's ridiculous.

And since you've already written 2 posts about it just replying to me and admitting your primary game platform is PC you've proven my point all the while not noticing it...

And yes, it would be nice to have cross-play and if it's added, great, but don't pretend that you haven't noticed that the ones always grabbing the pitchforks the fastest are always the ones that really couldn't care less about it.

It's the way of these silly console wars...

My very first response to you was an insult. I insulted you as a direct response to your condescending dismissal of everyone with a view that doesn't align with yours. Your attitude irks me.

You seem to miss the fundamental point that Sony not allowing cross-platform play doesn't only impact Playstation gamers. It impacts all the people that could play with Playstation gamers as well. There are over 60million PS4 owners. Has it really not occurred to you that some Xbox or Switch gamers might actually count some of their friends among that number, and might actually like to play games with them?

I don't know Sony's reasoning for blocking cross platform, and honestly I don't think Rocket League takes the concept far enough to be hugely valuable anyway as we need a proper integration of community features in order to play together with friends. We're quite far off that social gaming nirvana, but with a bit of gentle pressure/encouragement on the platform holders it could happen. Right now it is Sony that need the biggest nudge. You don't need to defend them.