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Micheal Pachter On The End Of Console Dominance, And If Sony's PlayStation Brand Can Remain Relevant

Michael Pachter talks about how Sony could end up losing console dominance, and how consoles in general will decline in the future

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freshslicepizza2559d ago

he's a bit off on this one i think. consoles will be around for awhile yet and sony will continue its dominance in this market.

NewMonday2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

only if they stay committed to quality 1st party games

naruga2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

Pachter is not a gamer and as clueless as he is thinks that only 2-3 fracnhises keep console wold alive (like COD ) He is terribly wrong and doesnt understand console gaming world a bit ...Cosole gaming will continue to exist as long as Japan continues to exist .....

Console as a system was mainly build/succeed there as it is a population with very fast pace of living and not alot of free time to spare , so they will always ask for quick access in quality mainly SP gaming and that is consoles are made for...Also the thing that they dont like much MMO gaming and their anime industry is even more integrated with their gaming industry (which is 99% dedicated to console gaming) along with the fact that two of the biggest gaming powerhouses are Japanese ...consoles are nt going anywhere anytime soon ....

Death2559d ago

Japan left consoles long ago when they shifted to mobile. What are you basing your opinion on?

Puty2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

Why everyone keep saying that? Every single one new IP Sony came up with this gen no one buys. Yes, they are great games, but you can't even really call Horizon a huge commercial success with its +/- 3 million buyers when you have an install base of 55 millions. I really wish for at least TLOU 2 to do well(the 1st game in my life i'll be buying day one).

ecchiless2559d ago

@Death

I would guess he's basing his opinion in Sony and Nintendo...... i mean those two are from japan RIGHT?!

JasonKCK2559d ago

Micheal Pachter couldn't predict his mourning alarm clock.

343_Guilty_Spark2559d ago

I don't see how that is sustainable when the majority of game sales are 3rd party titles.

mikeslemonade2559d ago

Sony will win the next two generations. Microsoft's lack of first party and decisions to make it play anywhere will not allow them to win. The switch is another WiiU and Nintendo drops out of the home console market all together.

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indyman77772559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

Last time I checked Console gamer's have all tried to just use PC's All of us have one. We don't like fighting to get a game to work on our pc. Or all the bugs. Other wise I would most of the time play games on my gaming desktop or high end gaming laptop. If I didn't have to worry about assigning keys to my keyboard/controller.

How many people want to play a fighting game on a PC? A call of duty game on pc? Some do but most dont. Then developers on pc program to the lowest 15% of power on the PC so they can sale to as many machines as possible.

Death Japan left non portables because they was forced by JRPG developers all going mobil to capture the mass transit market. Most of the world is not going to have large amounts of mass transit time and little console time. Especially now that there is the SWITCH.

indyman77772559d ago

@jasonKCK that was uncalled for! Accurate, and totally the funniest comment of the day !!!

IamTylerDurden12559d ago

Have u seen the last PSX and E3? Sony has an abundance of big AAA exclusives in the oven. Look at the flood of great exclusives this year already on PS4.

P_Bomb2558d ago (Edited 2558d ago )

@puty
Install base has nothing to do with commercial success the way you're looking at it. It's all the same to the publisher/developer. No one gets a software bonus for +/- attach rate. No one uses that barometer because then everything ever sold becomes a "failure".

By that attach rate logic one could call the highest selling CD of all time, best selling burger, highest grossing movie, best selling book or automobile all failures because they only sold millions in an install base of billions of consumers. But no one looks at that. Cuz that's stupid.

yeahokwhatever2558d ago

Puty, what you don't understand, is that Sony consistently releases new first party and second party exclusives that fill a slew of different categories. It's not that PlayStation has the best shooter, its that PlayStation has the best shooter, third person action, rpg, racing game, puzzle game, etc. So a few million fans for each category gets SOMETHING. What if you were on 360, and you didn't really care for Halo? Third party all day excluding a couple of good games sprinkled around every couple of years. That's why the 360 got dominated. Thats why the first XBOX got dominated, and thats why the XB1 is being dominated now. I honestly hope the scorpio gaming PC has some sweet exclusives, because I'll buy one. I've got the cash, and I love gaming. I'd rather shell out ~500 bucks every couple of years for a xbox branded PC that costs 500 less than a real one to play PC games on. The differences in power from console to PC just don't matter to me anymore, and its not worth the cheaters plaguing the PC world. IF they let gamers play with KB/Mouse, I'll just plop it on my desk, next to my Ouya.

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Erik73572559d ago

I actually see Sony not doing that. I see Nintnedo and Microsoft taking over but we will see.

I see Microsoft because they are more prepared to make a gaming stream service and I say Nintendo because they are doing something that the ever growing pc gaming market does not have. Portability and a overwhelming amount of robust exclusives.

Buy ya know what do I know, I said all of microsoft games would be coming to PC. No one believed me.

I said ps vr would not be a big deal after launch. Don't see anyone raving about it now.

I said switch wouldnt sell bad when majority of community thought it would.

Also said Horizon would be lower rated than breath of wild and majority disagreed on that.

Will see if my track record continues to be right.

20live2559d ago

I'm a bit on the fence with what you are saying , but if you turn out to be right that's a hell of a record.

C_Ali882559d ago

No, Sony may lose Japan to Switch but Microsoft is poised for very little at this point and were utterly unprepared for this gen.

Sony will continue dominance in US and UK for the most part unless something drastic happens and third parties abandon ship.

Don't even know what you're rambling on about.

KwietStorm_BLM2559d ago

You say Microsoft and Nintendo because you dump on everything PlayStation. Track record? lol just keep it real.

Jaqen_Hghar2559d ago

Most of the people aren't as against you as you think. A man remembers everyone thinking horizon wouldn't do as well sales wise as it has but they never said it would do better critically than Zelda. Also switch is yet to be seen lifetime how well it does but not many solid predictions on that. Psvr has done better than Sony predicted.

remixx1162559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

You know I also said a couple things that could came to pass, lemme see here.

I said Sony would take back top spot
From ninty with the ps4. Yup it happened.

I said (and got dumped on for this) horizon would outsell zelda) yuppo.

I claimed Wii u support would cease after switch launch when Nintendo themselves claimed it would keep going. Bingo got that one right.

I also said Erik will keep trolling playstation...

Razzer2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

lol....whatever you say. Don't know how you polled the "majority" of n4g. Sounds like BS.

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Legatus2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

You say that only because you ALWAYS downplay anything Sony related, i have yet to see you say something positive about them. Every post you make in Sony articles reeks of trolling negativity and this one is no exception. Your post should started: "i wish Microsoft and Nintendo take over..." because that's you wish for to happen. Oh and your predictions are all safe bets, 90% who are into gaming could predict that.

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Dark_Knightmare22559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

Dude you're a troll who just spewed a whole bunch of bullshit. Nobody thought horzion would score higher then Zelda you're pulling that out your ass, switch had a nice first month to their standards but it won't sell more than 20 or 30 million lifetime,ps vr is still selling well and is the most successful vr device out there and finally you act like Nintendo doing portability is something innovative or something that's never been done before which is funny. Sony has released the most critically acclaimed games in the last twenty years according to metacritic so if we're talking about robust exclusives Sony def has that edge over Nintendo. Sony has been the king since they entered the gaming space with the ps1 and if you think Nintendo of all companies is more prepared for the future you're delusional. Nintendo has a online network that's like ten years behind the competition,no third party support and no market share besides the most dedicated Nintendo fanboys who lap up their outdated crap every gen.

_-EDMIX-_2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

Erik, your way too delusional.

Nintendo has not been relevant in regards to console gaming and probably in the ballpark of 10 years, after the wii I would actually argue that Nintendo lost even more relevance in regards to the hardcore Market too much casuals purchase of the Wii to the point where I'm not really sure lots of real Gamers really even owned the device as opposed to Casual users.

So I have no clue why would you even remotely believe that Microsoft would dominate the market when Microsoft has actually never outsold the PlayStation and tearing a generation.

Sorry but if all things remain equal how on Earth are you coming to the conclusion that Microsoft would dominate Sony based on what evidence?

Microsoft is bringing their games to PC which is actually showing they no longer wish to it directly compete against the PlayStation in terms of actual exclusives which actually means ultimately they will sell less consoles every generation cuz there is even less reason to want to own such a platform if you possibly own a PC.

Nintendo creating the switch which is actually a portable shows that they also no longer wish to directly compete against Sony in regards to the Standalone console Market.

The Switch is a portable so regardless of if you're playing it on the television or on the go I'm sorry buddy but it is a portable Nintendo like I predicted bowed out of the stand-alone home console Market likely because the dominant you're seeing by the PlayStation right now.

Nintendo now exclusively in the portable Market in Microsoft basically putting their games on PC the actually only console that is Standalone that actually has exclusive for an actual fact based on what we know as a console Standalone it to be is actually the PlayStation 4.

PlayStation 4 was exclusively designed to only play on the television it is not a portable device in which they had to create the limitations in order to make it portable so regardless of how you're trying to word it or manipulate it, the switch is a portable regardless of what you're displaying it to, it was created to be portable....

So it basically means if you wanted a standalone console that was actually made 100% to be a standalone console and NOT a portable with exclusives the PlayStation 4 is actually the only device that does that right now.

The Xbox one no longer has exclusive by Microsoft because they've made it clear that they're releasing games on PC

The Nintendo switch is not a stand-alone console it is actually a portable.

So what is very hard to form an argument that Nintendo or Microsoft would gain dominance in the dedicated console Market when both of them have actually shown actions to show that they're leaving that market.

One company decided to release a portable you could play on the television, and the other company decided to forgo releasing exclusives on their console soooooooo I'm not entirely sure how either of these companies could dominate a market they're basically trying to leave.

So let's understand this in the most simplest layman's terms.

The switch is a portable device in the choice to make it portable also limits how powerful it could be which is moot because that is what Portables are in the first place in comparison to stand alone consoles that were only created to run on the television.

Releasing your games on the PC automatically makes them no longer exclusive to one device.

LMFAO! PlayStation 4 breaking numerous records shows otherwise.

PlayStation VR is not a big deal? PlayStation VR is the best selling virtual reality device on the market right now.....

_-EDMIX-_2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

@C_A- ABSOLUTELY AGREED! Sony is definitely going to lose Japan but in the respect that so he never really even had Japan in terms of Portables so yes you're correct but I'm not sure there was a time period in which they were more dominant in regards to Portables then Nintendo.

I absolutely agree with you on not knowing exactly what on Earth Erik is talking about in regards to Microsoft getting dominance that company is basically closer to leaving the console market then dominating it. For them to basically start putting all of their games on PC only confirms that they're probably not looking to openly compete against Sony any longer which actually means they're likely going to lose units because of that move not dominate.

Sony will continue their dominance worldwide because in order to say they lost Japan, you would actually have to savy the support that they're getting in regards to titles like Yakuza or Final Fantasy series or Resident Evil or anything major like that would be lost but I don't actually see anything regarding that happening especially because of the actual limitations of the switch itself because it's portable so the 3DS did not suddenly make a Final Fantasy 15 not appear on the PlayStation 4 so I actually believe the point you're bringing up is irrelevant to Sony they're not going to lose those key Triple A Japanese titles because of a popular portable simply because they never really lost them because of the DS or 3DS or anything like that the switch is no different

They're still going to be a market for titles like Final Fantasy 16 and clearly there's still going to be a market for that to be a triple a huge Blockbuster title so I don't really see a company like Square Enix missing out and leaving that market wide open for another publisher to capitalize on simply because of the switch especially since they could simply just released other titles that actually fit that platform similar to what you saw with Bravely Default that never stopped the Final Fantasy 15 so your point is actually pretty irrelevant when you look at their previous Portables.

I mean the 3DS has over 65 million units.

Never stopped Final Fantasy 15 from appearing on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.

I understand your point with switch being a portable and likely being very successful in Japan I don't disagree with you but you have to consider that's not really going to stop the PlayStation 4 from selling simply because there will be a market for Final Fantasy 16 and Kingdom Hearts 3 what have you.

If those Concepts were not lost in favor of 3DS and DS I'm not entirely sure what would be different about the switch.

dadano2558d ago

i think you may bei early with thinking the Switch bet is won. lets Check that again in 1,5 years.

extermin8or2558d ago

Sony bought all the top tech companies for game streaming tech and codes and such... They have PS now, however it isn't there to replace their hardware, the games on the service are a year or two behind the curve and for the vast majority it's not realistically the way to go.... Because of issues surrounding Internet connection and speeds that aren't going away anytime soon.

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Twignberries2559d ago

He is a bit off on THIS one??

When is Pachter actually right about anything is what I want to know. Also, who is still keeping him employed??

Liqu1d2559d ago

He's right when he states the obvious, but when it comes to his predictions he's always wrong.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2559d ago

As long as Sony is committed to making amazing 1st party games and getting 2nd and 3rd party exclusives like Death Stranding, Persona 5, and Yakuza, Sony's consoles will remain relevant and PlayStation will remain the dominant brand in console gaming.

Retroman2559d ago

This got to be some kind of clickbait " the end of Console Dominance "
Console not going anywhere long as money to be made.

agent45322559d ago

Nope, console hardware is done and buried. There is nothing left for console hardware to offer that the mighty smartphone/pc offer. Even smart tvs with quad core processors make console hardware outdated. Embrace the digital future. Just like gamers saw PC games go from boxes to digital the same will happen to consoles. Xbox game pass and PS Now will replace console hardware in 2020 whether people like it or not

Dark_Knightmare22559d ago

lol you're as delusional as patcher if you think consoles are gone in three years

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XanderZane2559d ago

Patcher is a nutcake. Consoles are going anywhere for at least another 10-15 years I think. After that, everything will probably go digital and hopefully games will be cheap like they are on STEAM. Mobile devices are getting more powerful, but how are you going to play CoD on a phone with such a small screen and no controller? We already know that both Sony and Microsoft are working on their Next-Gen game consoles, so what is Patcher even thinking?

trooper_2558d ago

@ puty

Sony first party games don't sell? Then where did the sales from the Uncharted series, Gran Turismo and Horizon came from? Surely Sony didn't buy their own games.

Next time, use a sarcasm tag.

Puty2558d ago

trooper_
Sony new IPs don't sell. I bet Sony was hoping for more with Horizon. 3 millions isn't encouraging for starting a new big franchise. And most of the 1st party content this gen from Sony was only good(TLG) or mediocre(knack, until dawn, new infamous, KZ4, The Order). I mean Microsoft is doing even worse with 1st party.

My point is - time when Sony is relying ONLY on their 1st party content is a very scary vision.

S2Killinit2558d ago (Edited 2558d ago )

Thats a terrible future. And Ive been saying this for a while now.

Taero2558d ago

That's a funny way of saying "off on everything"

LordMaim2558d ago

Michael Pachter says "So Sony is gonna lose market dominance when you can play Call of Duty without a console, and that’s gonna happen in 2019 or 2020. So in the next 2 to 3 years, you’re gonna have the opportunity to download to your PC and play on your T.V."

uh... Pachter? You can do that now. You could do that 5 years ago. You know that Call of Duty started as a PC franchise, right?

Do you know where you are right now?

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Malice-Flare2559d ago

heh, the main console audience would likely not bother with the hoops he's describing (download to PC then stream to TV). not to mention the added input latency...

agent45322559d ago

Is going to happen. It may start that way but in 2025 after the success of Xbox Gamepass replacing console hardware altogether gamers will finally see the next step to able to stream games directly from their tv sets. The first step is already in:

Bring all Xbox One exclusive games to PC. Cross play capability between Xbox and PC.

Bringing PS Now to PC.

Able to use PS Now for PS4 games

The second step:

Xbox gamepass bringing a steam like store to both Xbox and Windows games. Pretty much improving Windows Gamestore.

PS Now becomes cheaper to access brings all PlayStation games to it even all PS4 games.

Sony revamps and improves PS Now

Third step:

Able to directly download/use the power of the cloud to access games directly from the tv set without any console/pc hardware requirement like Netflix 😸.

Final Step:

PS Now/Xbox gamepass arrive on mobile circa 2030 or 2028.

Yes, is the end of console hardware 😸. For good reason:

Lower development costs and no more manufacturing costs for Sony/Microsoft

Expansion of gaming audience from 50 million to 200 million gamers or more if mobile audience is included

Larger gaming audience combined with lower costs (No more transportation, manufacturing, warehouse fees, middleman expense [Retail Stores do get a cut from every console sold not just from game developers], hardware engineer and technician labor costs)= higher profits/revenue.

It already started, it will end like that whether people like it or not
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onodle2558d ago

'Lower development costs and no more manufacturing costs for Sony/Microsoft '

Yeah but then the hardware and the 'cloud' takes a shed load of money and hardware to maintain and add in bandwidth / streaming costs, not to mention look at where the US is heading with net neutrality that's going to have a massive impact on streaming, net access and gaming.

Sure consoles might go, you might get more access to a bigger gaming library but the cost to access all of that over a set year will sky rocket when you consider what ISPs are doing.

Digital IS the way forward however the infrastructure and the means to get access and fair access to whole has to change and that's not going to happen in the next 10 years.

FITSniper2557d ago

Your assumption is that by 2025 most of the world will have access to extremely fast internet with no bandwidth caps. While that is a nice fantasy, it likely will not be the case. Going with only streaming services for games will mean that you shut out large markets from the gaming audience. Australia, most of South and Central America, parts of the US, a lot of Europe, Asia, etc.

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gtxgamer22559d ago

PlayStation is a well known brand, I doubt it's going anywhere. As for it dominating as long as we keep getting exclusives games that people want, and that other consoles don't get then I believe it will remain in the lead.

mcstorm2559d ago

I think it will depend on a few things. If you look at what Microsoft are doing and saying they are kind of killing off console gens as we know it. They said going forward Evey console will be backwards compatible and also forward comparable for x amount of years also cross play with pc. Now this is something Sony will need to do imo. If Sony bring out the ps5 and it can't play ps4 games then it could switch people over to the Xbox. Alot of people jumped ship this gen beacue both consoles were a fresh start and could not play last gen games.now the Xbox one has it sales have also picked up to.

I don't thing Sony will exit the market at all but it is interesting times for all 3. For me i prefer what Nintendo and Microsoft are doing as i am not a fan of VR and i still don't see it being the next big thing but that said Sony have some amazing ip's the one thing i want to see them doing more of though is racing games lack of them is the reason i don't own a ps4 yet as i love racers.

Dark_Knightmare22559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

I'm sorry not being a d**k or anything but Xbox sales have not picked up if anything they have slowed down even more and have officially fallen behind the 360

_-EDMIX-_2558d ago

Microsoft comments regarding Generations has actually been confirmed that they never stated that they were not going to release a next-generation platform.

Also in regards to backwards compatibility that is a moot point both companies are now using very straightforward x86 architecture that could be backwards compatible with future architectures.

You're saying that you believe Sony should do this for the PlayStation 5 and your opinion but who is to say they haven't already made that decision years ago? For all you know using x86 was because of this decision to have the rest of their platforms compatible in some respect.

If Sony comes out and introduces the PlayStation 5 and it's not backwards compatible I don't see anybody switching to Xbox simply to play passage enervation games because PlayStation 4 right now was one of the fastest selling game consoles of all time and it has no backwards compatibility

And the funniest joke about this entire crap is the Wii U was backwards compatible to the Wii which moved over 100 million units yet the Wii U also happens to be one of the worst selling consoles out of the three companies in either of the three companies entire histories in the industry

So you're going to have to help me understand how somebody is going to be pulled off and go to buy Xbox because they cannot play PlayStation 5 backwards compatible to their previous generation platforms was just boggles the mind because you have to help me understand what is the purpose of you owning the damn PlayStation 5 if you're crying about previous platforms games?

I mean what did you own a PlayStation 4 for exactly? So let's just say for argument's sake that you purchase the PlayStation 4 for its specific exclusives so you're going to buy an Xbox because you can't play Playstation 4 games on PlayStation 5? Well you're not going to be able to play the sequel to Horizon zero Dawn or days gone or anything like that on Xbox so I fail to see your point I'm sorry but you guys need to seriously stop exaggerating this, no real evidence to suggest anyone is making their decision based on previous generational games because to my understanding the Xbox one is not out selling the PlayStation 4 in the Wii U failed abysmally so you might want to throw that stupid argument out the window and regards to why people are really purchasing next-generation platforms.

So in order for you to make an argument that Sony is going to have some sort of Fall From Grace because a backwards compatibility you actually need to be saying that should be technically happening right now is there a reason why Xbox one is not out selling PlayStation 4? Is there a reason why the Wii U failed despite being backwards compatible to the system that technically sold the most last generation?

So exactly why are you saying that this is going to happen next Generation when it's not happening right now? This is where this stupid argument falls apart.

I mean have you seriously not realize that the scenario you're talking about is this Generations? PlayStation 4 has no backwards compatibility.....it is outselling both of the systems that do have backwards compatibility.

People are not buying the PlayStation 4 because of what it could do with the PlayStation 3 Library they're buying the PlayStation 4 because there is a focus on the current Generation Library.

If you have to sell your PlayStation 4 to afford a PlayStation 5 maybe you don't need a PlayStation 5 maybe you actually need a better job......

--bienio--2559d ago

Everyone Knows that Pc is a future!!

ILostMyMind2559d ago

I agree. I'm going to trade any console for a PC when there is PlayStation on it.

iDadio2558d ago

This is why PC players get a bad rep, I'm trying to play Starbound whilst convincing people I'm not on some superiority complex.

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OK give us Kingdoms of Amalur 2 with AAA budget and we will accept your excuse

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ZeekQuattro5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Turned based Phantasy Star and Shinning Force remain at the top of my list of Sega IPs that need to return. At the very least I'd take a Shining Force collection that has 1,2,3, CD and the Game Gear entries.

FinalBoss5d ago

I was hesitant to put these two on. I've personally played more PSO than the RPG version. And shame on me, I don't remember much about Shining Force to talk about it properly.

That said, so many Sega licences deserve their place in this list.

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gold_drake4d ago

shining force.

but indont see that happening unfortunately.