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Nier Automata: Why Nier sequel won't be coming to Microsoft's console

Nier Automata developer explains why a lack of Xbox One port is actually better for the game.

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Nitrowolf22614d ago

And people say japan doesn't matter

Why o why2613d ago

Last gen there was some growing notion being pushed that Asia were becoming less relevant in the grand scheme of gaming........ Sometimes, some of us westerners cant see past our own noses.

Message... People see where they're appreciated and tend to gravitate towards and stay around those places and people. Downplay all you want... Asia every bit as important as the west in regards to the gaming universe. You could even argue more so.

Overload2613d ago

It sums up the whole situation there so well in roughly 5 seconds.

bouzebbal2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

There is the Japanese market and there is something I think more than that: scalebound.

Godmars2902613d ago

@Why o why:

Sometimes...?

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Kurisu2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

I'm really tempted to get this game before Horizon: Zero Dawn. I really enjoyed the demo and I've been wanting to play it ever since. It's different to anything I've ever played before.

I'm hoping that Microsoft have plenty of game announcements set for E3 because right now my Xbox One gets barely any use.

ninsigma2613d ago

The demo blew me away. Literally did not care about this game until the demo but I'll definitely be picking it up. Not over horizon but I'll definitely get it!

medman2613d ago

+Kurisu
Two is better than one.

freshslicepizza2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

lets just say japan is no longer the powerhouse they used to be, why do you think sony moved its headquaters to north america?

https://arstechnica.com/gam...

summary, niche japan games will always do better in japan than overseas. can anyone provide sales outside of japan for the first game? thought not.

DashArrivals2613d ago

Why do I always see you doing pathetic damage control? Everyone knows your deal. But, keep up the good fight. I have no idea what drives you, but I'm sure it's something really silly.

Nitrowolf22613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

What do the sales of the first game have anything to do with it being exclusive? From the sound of it you make it seem like the game didn't sell at all which may be the case but doesn't that mean that they shouldn't have warranted a sequel to begin with?

Your comment even makes it sound like it shouldn't even be leaving Japan and that it is just a japan-exclusive like so many other games there.

freshslicepizza2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@Nitrowolf
"What do the sales of the first game have anything to do with it being exclusive?"

umm, because the xbox does terrible in japan? think

"From the sound of it you make it seem like the game didn't sell at all which may be the case but doesn't that mean that they shouldn't have warranted a sequel to begin with?"

no, i am asking how well the game sold outside of japan.

"Your comment even makes it sound like it shouldn't even be leaving Japan and that it is just a japan-exclusive like so many other games there."

lots of games leave japan, lots dont sell that well outside of japan. that doesn't mean they are bad games. i was simply showing the relevance to the game outside of japan and replying to someone who sarcastically said japan doesn't matter. of course japan matters but they are no longer the powerhouse territory they used to be. even sony acknowledges that, which is why they move the playstation headquasters to the usa.

ShadowKnight2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@Moldybread
So should gaming consoles always do better in there own country? Why is the PS4 outselling Xbox-one in America? Didn't they both launch at the same time?

freshslicepizza2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@ShadowKnight
"So should gaming consoles always do better in there own country? Why is the PS4 outselling Xbox-one in America? Didn't they both launch at the same time?"

what does that have to do with anything i said? sony knows how much more important the usa market is, which is why they shifted their focus to a more prosperous market. and how come nobody can provide any data for how well the first game sold outside of japan? which explains why the game is more suited to the ps4 since the xbox is mostly nonexistent there.

Trez12342613d ago

Power house in terms of sales or quality? Because they're producing top quality games. Japan isn't going anywhere and their biggest franchises are selling well worldwide. Japanese games don't sell well on xbox and there's no need to start downplaying their importance because of that fact.

It's not coincidence that when xbox 360 was ahead in the US all we heard was the Japanese industry. I guess mainland Europeans and Asians should say xbox is not a powerhouse since it sells poorly to say the least in those regions?

freshslicepizza2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@Trez1234
"Power house in terms of sales or quality? Because they're producing top quality games. Japan isn't going anywhere and their biggest franchises are selling well worldwide."

and again, how well did this game sell outside of japan?

"Japanese games don't sell well on xbox and there's no need to start downplaying their importance because of that fact."

did i say they were bad? i enjoy quite a few, in fact valkyria chronicles was one of my favorite ps3 games.

"It's not coincidence that when xbox 360 was ahead in the US all we heard was the Japanese industry. I guess mainland Europeans and Asians should say xbox is not a powerhouse since it sells poorly to say the least in those regions?"

what coincidence? the xbox has never been popular in japan and this going to the ps4 only makes perfect sense but again a lot of that has to do with how well the game sold in japan, not outside of japan. plus when the xbox 360 came out japan it was at a time when more japanese gamers were into console gaming than today. which is why i keep saying how japan's relevance is less than it used to be as far as sales go.

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Chevalier2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

They do well in Europe as well. There are over 740 million people in Europe, so yeah. There are other countries outside the U.S. Maybe take a look at the map and learn about people outside the U.S. This is why people outside the U.S. consider them so ignorant.

Straight up damage control. It's sad that literally every time there is this discussion Moldy jumps in with the same idiotic comment.

Also on the point on sales, franchises build up over time. Uncharted 1 sold 20,000 week 1 whereas Uncharted 4 sold 2.6+ million week 1. If you think that sales will always be 'niche', then look no further than almost every single Xbox exclusive this gen.

Chevalier2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

" can you provide total software sales for the first game OUTSIDE of japan?"

Can you? You assume niche sales and have nothing to back your argument either. Waiting for your proof. Considering you should back up your argument. Or you going to just take it at face value? Oh right maybe you can get us metrics on engagement, button presses etc?!

XanderZane2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

The original NieR sold better in US and Europe, then it did in Japan. Yosuke Saito doesn't know what he's talking about. On the XBox 360 only it sold 3x's more in the US along, then in Japan.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

In all total it barely sold 1 million copies worldwide. Definitely a niche game.

@TomatoDragon
Yet again a Japanese game that sells a lot better outside of Japan. Ni No Kuni is an awesome game. Thankfully Level 5 & Namco/Bandai is bringing the sequel to US & Europe as well. Hopefully it'll make it on the PC/XB1 too. Everyone deserves to play this game.

FITgamer2613d ago

@DashArrivals Moldy doesn't own an Xbox One so he spends all of time on here damage controlling for it.

freshslicepizza2613d ago

@XanderZane
"The original NieR sold better in US and Europe, then it did in Japan. Yosuke Saito doesn't know what he's talking about. On the XBox 360 only it sold 3x's more in the US along, then in Japan."

on the ps3 it sold more in japan and with xbox one sales at half of the ps4 its no wonder they wont release it on the xbox one. not with a niche title that sold less than 1 million worldwide.

Elda2613d ago

You can't take Playstation & it's fabulous exclusive games...lol...smh.

uptownsoul2613d ago

"lets just say japan is no longer the powerhouse they used to be" -- Maybe not...But Japan is still the 3rd (or 4th if you include China) largest gaming region in the world. So...

Realms2613d ago

Moldybread or better yet should we call you Rookiemonster because you have taken his place good job in becoming the most annoying N4G user.

gangsta_red2613d ago

On a bright note though, the prospect of this game is still on the table for it to come to Xbox One.

https://gamerant.com/nier-a...

According to the article it depends on the sales for this game. So lets hopefully see this game does well in sales or maybe we'll get the "niche" excuse, who knows.

bouzebbal2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

Aren't you the one who was hyping up scalebound?
Shut up and try to stop contradicting yourself.
The real question you morons should ask yourselves is: was it a good game?
And yes NieR 1 was great. One more great game you will miss out.. You know, Ps4 owners have a big problem with which game to choose. How about you ? LOL I thought so

trooper_2613d ago

Just stop moldy. It's getting sad now.

rainslacker2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

Maybe it was cheaper or something? Tax breaks. Cool looking building.

Who knows? Who cares? Sony is a global company with headquarters all over the world.

But, the likely scenario is that they opened it in a rather big hub of gaming for worldwide publishing. Almost every game somehow goes through that general region of California in some way. From engine development, distribution, conferences, training semenars, etc.

But sure, you can believe it's because Japan is somehow irrelevant. Obviously, all those Japanese gamers, and those who enjoy Japanese games(or asian games in general) are not worth bothering with. I'm sure more power will get those buyers.

Maybe instead of asking others how well games sold, you should provide the data to back up your point. It's weak to assert an argument and not know the facts behind your own argument, and hope others somehow make the argument for you, knowing full well most people won't bother, so with people like you it somehow just validates your point in your own head, when you have presented nothing but hyperbole.

So I ask you, since it's your argument, how well did those games sell outside Japan? Tell us what you want us to know.

Aenea2613d ago

Ahh, ok, basically Xbox users don't care then? Then this is a waste of an article.............

Major_Glitch2613d ago

@salty Go buy games. Xbox NEEDS sales.

Aceman182612d ago

Oh moldy there you go again with the failed damage control of why a game isnt coming to your console of choice. Not only do you keep failing everytime, but the people who keep agreeing with fail hard also.

I'll be buying Neir once i finish Horizon.

SpinalRemains1382612d ago (Edited 2612d ago )

The first game was amazing. It definitely was considered a major let down in sales though.

You cannot downplay the importance of Japanese development in terms of western markets though. It is after all why we are having this conversation.

You continue to downplay the role Japanese games have, all the while you miss out on every single one and you spend time here because you literally have nothing to play on Xbox.

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pinkcrocodile752613d ago

I doesn't matter!. The UK is a bigger gaming money maker than Japan by quite a margin. Pretty good going.

TFJWM2613d ago

Umm what?

https://newzoo.com/insights...

3 Japan $12,432,287,000
6 United Kingdom $3,941,529,000

XanderZane2613d ago

The Japan market is much smaller then US and Europe. So Yosuke Saito comments makes no sense. The game will sell more in the US/Europe. He says they didn't want to split time on platforms, but they are doing just that by bringing it to the PC as well. If they are making it on the PC it should be easy to port to the XB1. No doubt the game will sell well in Japan, as that's their home market, but it will sell just as well if not better in Europe and USA because those markets are a lot bigger. Japan matters to Japan developers. It doesn't matter as much to European or American developers.

Trez12342613d ago

That's true. The problem isnt just Japanese games but some devs feel they have more of a chance starting on the playstation platform and see if the demand is there and then release it on the xbox. I'm sure we would see an xbox release if the game is successful and there's a demand from xbox gamers.

We've seen that with few games already this gen.

_-EDMIX-_2613d ago

"The Japan market is much smaller then US and Europe. So Yosuke Saito comments makes no sense"

Except that comment is made based on a very JAPANESE game. The market might be "smaller" but the US and UK market clearly are not moving huge units of games like Nier buddy. Japan is.

Its PS4 and PC exclusive because the platform moves UNITS IN THE EAST, XONE doesn't.

They know they will get low sales in the west, soooooo why put it on a system that sells crap world wide?

I don't know about this game selling more in the US or Europe bud, I don't know those type of JRPGs to move huge units other then the top IPs like Final Fantasy, Pokemon etc

Nivekki2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@_-EDMIX-_

Nier sold more in the west than it did in Japan. Another day another clueless comment from you.

Mega Lolllzzz aye bud?

Cretin.....

moegooner882612d ago (Edited 2612d ago )

I am sure the 700k who bought GTAV on launch on PS3 in Japan would like to disagree about their irrelevance to Western developers. Japanese multiplats almost always sell better on PS4 due to the higher Japanese install base. Nothing to debate about. If SE was pleased with such Xb1 sales for their Japanese developed games, they would have requested Xb1 versions for KH Remaster and Nier A, but they didn't. You seem to know better than SE thu lol

XanderZane2612d ago

@_-EDMIX-_
The US/Europe markets ARE moving more units then the Japanese market. That's my point buddy. Something you completely overlooked, by not viewing the links. They moved more units by a lot last gen, why would they not do the same this gen? I'm talking about the WEST market. Even without the XB1 sales, the game will still sell more units in the WEST. With XB1 sales in the WEST it will sell even more. Why don't you check the Japanese games sales for the WEST Ni No Kuni last gen sold more in the West. You say they know it won't sell. How? They haven't even tried this gen.

Look at sales of Tales of Vesperia on the XBox 360 in the West compared to Japan. Don't be a blind fanboys. I'm waiting to hear the damage control on this. Westerns are playing games from Japan developers.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
Look at Infinite Undiscovery
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
Eternal Sonata
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

I think my point has been made. Proof has been shown.

moegooner882610d ago

Did you even check your link ? lol Eternal Sonata sold 0.23 million copies on Xbox 360 in the west. Factor the development costs, and then come back and say if it was worth it.

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FinalFantasyFanatic2613d ago

That and people who say those who like Japanese games and hardware are in the minority, defiantly not this gen. Then again, the Xboxs never do well in Japan for some reason.

Kribwalker2612d ago

It is in the minority when these games are selling less then a million, on a system that has 53 million plus users available. Less then 2% of owners are buying these exclusives

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Nyxus2614d ago

"The main reason for this is that the Japanese market for Xbox One is not strong."

Understatement of the year.

OMGitzThatGuy2613d ago

They still think they are only selling to Japanese customers only heh

Nyxus2613d ago

Well I don't think the audience for these kinds of games is really on Xbox One, regardless of country.

DarkZane2613d ago

They realized people on Xbox One don't buy these games, regardless of where they live.

They're only releasing FF15 and KH3 because they said they would before the Xbox One came out and ended up being a flop, so they're releasing those 2 japanese games because they have no choice and to save face.

Don't expect anything Japanese from SE on Xbox One. Also, FF7R is console exclusive to Sony because they published the original.

freshslicepizza2613d ago

can you provide total software sales for the first game OUTSIDE of japan?

pinkcrocodile752613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@DarkZane - Thank Zanzibar for that!! Absolutely right as well, Japanese games have no place on Xbox.

The last thing I want do is to play Japanese games on ANY platform.

I own both PS4 and Xbox One and my issue is not racial, it's more to do with I'll do anything to ensure the death of Japanese Gaming Developers grip on the gaming industry.

Day by day year by year, their grip loosens.

Nivekki2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@zeuanimals

That's not racism, that's bigotry. There is a difference.

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freshslicepizza2613d ago

can anyone provide total (all platforms) software sales for the first game OUTSIDE of japan?

Nyxus2613d ago

What does that have to do with his statement?

DigitalRaptor2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@ Nyxus

Nothing but his insecurity about what Sony fans say about the Xbox.

trooper_2613d ago

Why don't you look them up yourself?

Oh...wait, it has nothing to do with the article!

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XanderZane2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

@Nyxus
True, buy XBox One is strong outside of Japan and the fact the first Nier on the XBox 360 sold better in the US/Europe then it did in Japan should make the sequel a given for those markets. Sure don't release the sequel for the XB1 in Japan, but it should definitely be released outside of Japan.

@Overload
Your gif posts are dumb. This is why I call you a troll.

@moldybread
I already provided the sales.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Nyxus2613d ago

But Xbox 360 was a different situation. That console was a lot more successful in general. They must have their reasons to not bring NieR to XB1.

_-EDMIX-_2613d ago

LMFAO!!!!!

Because you know they made their money back from the port? They likely didn't make ENOUGH to justify putting it on a platform that is selling that badly. Sorry but those numbers are low, like really low.

XanderZane2612d ago

@_-EDMIX-_
Yeah.. the numbers are low. The problem is they were even a LOT lower in the Japan market. That's my point. The numbers are higher for the West market. You really think the same thing isn't going to happen again? You're clueless. I agree the game doesn't need to come out for the XB1 in Japan, but everywhere else, it should. I think Yosuke Saito point is, "If I can't sell it for a profit in my home country on an XB1, I don't want to sell it to other markets. I guess it would be like GTA selling better in Japan then in US/Europe on the XBox.

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Rangerman12082614d ago

Well look at the bright side, Xbox fans. Atleast Ace Combat 7 will be coming to XBO and PC.

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nowitzki20042612d ago

With all the money they save on games they could get a flight stick for Ace Combat as well.

ShadowKnight2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

This game got a 10/10 already from one gaming site

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SaveFerris2613d ago

Saves on porting costs. In any case, Platinum will be hoping Nier: Automata proves to be a hit, especially because of Scalebound.

Kurisu2613d ago (Edited 2613d ago )

I was looking forward to Scalebound, it was a real shame it got cancelled. I'll definitely be supporting Platinum with a day one buy of Nier: Automata, I think their employees need something to celebrate!

DarXyde2613d ago

In what way? I don't think Platinum absorbed any financial losses from Scalebound. If anything, Microsoft likely foot the bill on that project.

XXanderXX2613d ago

Wasn't what happened to scale bound thier failure and why it was delayed so often.

Trez12342613d ago

We can't really say it was their fault or Microsoft's but very early in the development, both parties weren't seing eye to eye. It wasn't a big suprise when they announced the cancellation.

tyasia02612d ago (Edited 2612d ago )

Microsoft track record for canceling games speaks for itself.

Platinum on the other hand has worked with tons of publishers and never had a problem.

So I think it's safe to say it was Microsoft's fault.

Chaos_Order2613d ago

Porting costs? But according to people online, all a developer has to do is just flick a magic switch and their game will instantly be ported to another system, and a pile of money will fall into their lap, because every single developer will benefit by putting their game on as many systems as possible in every circumstance, no matter what, and those that don't are either evil or will die a painful death. Are you telling me that's not the case!?!? No way... It can't be true...

Chevalier2613d ago

I honestly thought it would take one person pushing a button and doing all the side work like QC as well. Who knew! s/

rainslacker2613d ago

It could be that way if the developer didn't care about performance, or if the game worked at all.

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Stellar Blade X NieR: Yoko Taro and Hyung-Tae Kim on How Their Blockbusters Inspire One Another

IGN: "We talk to Yoko Taro and Hyung-Tae Kim about the ways that Stellar Blade is inspired by NieR: Automata, comparisons between EVE and 2B, and much more."

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Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 3 Expected to Release Around 2027, Says Square Enix

It's fairly common knowledge that Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth enjoyed a relatively smooth development cycle, owing to the fact that Final Fantasy 7 Remake's team was largely kept intact, and the first game had obviously laid the foundations in terms of visuals and gameplay systems. It took Square Enix around three years to craft Rebirth, and it expects the same kind of timeline when it comes to the third (and final) title in the trilogy.

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lucian2293d ago

Soooo long. Sigh lmao gonna be a long long wait.

Cacabunga3d ago

Yes but better they take their time with such game. A good argument to get PS5 Pro

Sonic18812d ago

The PS6 might be out by then

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

In 2,5 years? No way .. Pro will be around for at least 2 years..

RaidenBlack3d ago

Might be an unpopular opinion here, but I wish the remake was a 2-parter not a 3-parter.
Die-hard fans will disagree and I get it but ... I think they're stretching the project abit too much imho.

lucian2293d ago

considering how much story is in the original, i think it's fine. Everything is very well elaborated and the connection to those characters are much greater thanks to it. Like, i like seeing tifa and aerith as best friends for example. the fact the first 2 games in this trilogy basically only covered the first disc of the original is kinda crazy tho lol

Becuzisaid2d ago

@lucian That first disc was a whopper though. I don't remember the second being as long, and the third is basically just the final dungeon.

I'm glad they did 3 games. The first 2 have been absolutely phenomenal. Looking forward to the Weapons (the real ones) waking up and attacking, the underwater exploration (they set that up pretty good with the lore of Under Junon), and finally Cloud's big reveal. It'll be real interesting to see how they handle the repercussions of Cloud's behavior from Rebirth and what he's going to do in Part 3. Like the party should realistically just abandon him for being such an a-hole, and after what he did to a Tifa. They really played up the whole Sephiroth mind control thing in Rebirth. They really need to nail the emotional payoff to that. Hope it's not just swept under the rug by the party and just move on post Lifestream.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Also 3 games and then a Crisis core remaster

Then god knows what else

It’s overkill

I’d under the trilogy if they lived up to their excuse about it being about expanding the lore. Like they said the first game would heavily expand the lore of Midgar through side missions but the side missions didn’t do that at all, they were all pretty generic. Felt like a bad excuse to justify 3 games.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Least we have a potential date

Although now I’m just thinking

“Damn 3-4 years to see if we’ll ever get a FFVIII remake next”

VersusDMC2d ago

Apparently there is a IX remake getting made. You need that to come out and be successful before a VIII remake is even possibly green lit.

But if you're thinking the FF7REMAKE team is making a FFVIII remake after part 3...that is not happening. They are definitely making a new FF after.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Well apparently IX is coming first because the VIII team are working on the VII remakes

So if they get finished then hopefully they will work on VIII next

You say it won’t but I’m hoping they will…just something less ambitious

TheEroica2d ago

Yikes.... Sales are already lower than expected for the sequel. Third game is gonna be lower....

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GoodGuy093d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I really think it should've been just one game or two at most, kept to the simple turn based combat, and no crazy changes to the story. But it's whatever. I liked rebirth but man was it bloated with so much unnecessary and repetitive stuff. Square is really betting their money on the remakes. I do admit the remakes have been the only mainline ff games Ive actually quite liked since probably 10 lol.

Lexreborn23d ago

I don’t feel like it’s bloated, it’s more or less all the same content that was in the original for mini games but they expanded everyone’s narrative better.

I am glad they expanded even on the characters that came in later games that wasn’t in the original. It’s a weird position we keep putting devs in when one moment we say give us a complete game with tons of content. They deliver said content and then we treat it like it’s overwhelming or to much.

Crazy part is you could just focus on the story and do none of the “bloat”. Gamers really seem to never be happy when you look online forums

rambot892d ago

Wouldn’t make sense financially. 1 game would involve a mammoth amount of development time and a gamble to say the least. Making one part of the game and seeing if it makes $$$ gives reason to justify making a part 2 and 3 and make more money too.

OtterX3d ago

That's pretty crazy if you think about the 2005 PS3 tech demo that started this all! I'm not sure if they ever intended to remake the game at that time, but the fan outcry for it was so incredible that it eventually became a reality! Now imagine all of the fans who have died waiting for this. :\

GamerRN2d ago

That's how you turn an 80$ game into a $240 game

jambola2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Which game is 240?
You must've bought from a bad scalper because I got both games for normal price each

GamerRN2d ago

How much did each part cost?

Lionsguard3d ago

I mean not too surprised, they already have most of all the assets already made. I just hope it's UE5 and they crank it to 11 and finish strong. I also hope they go back and upgrade Remake and Rebirth to UE5 too. BUY THE DAMN GAME PEOPLE!!

franwex3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

For all the complaints about GAAS and same thing getting released every year. It’s almost dumb that gamers here don’t support a game like Rebirth.

MrNinosan3d ago

Rebirth is selling great and is supported. Don't worry.

MrNinosan3d ago

It won't be UE5.
If that wad the case, we wouldn't play it in 3 years.

Becuzisaid2d ago

And it would likely play like trash compared to the first 2, at least on PS5.

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Josh Sawyer, Pentiment Director, Comments on Industry Burnout Issues

Josh Sawyer tweets: "I believe burnout has already replaced crunch as the primary hazard of the game industry. Managers are setting teams up to fail and devs are getting ground up as collateral damage. I have suffered from burnout myself. It's no joke. Thanks to @thewritegame and @Eeoor for the talk.

As with crunch, it's likely that managers may acknowledge creating the circumstances leading to burnout but will not take the necessary steps to change them. It's important that devs continue to talk to and support each other and to apply pressure until change is effected."

anast4d ago

Typically burnout comes from abusive management.

N3mzor3d ago

"Flood has replaced the faulty dam as the primary hazard of the valley"