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Michael Pachter On PS4 Pro’s Lack of UHD Drive- I Don’t Think Anyone Cares

The PlayStation 4 Pro will not have a UHD Blu Ray drive, while Microsoft have included one in the Xbox One S (and will presumably include one in the upcoming Xbox Scorpio, too). This actually comes as a bit of a surprise, given Sony's media background, and their propensity to push the latest media format with their consoles whenever they get the chance (CDs with PlayStation, DVD with PS2, and Blu Rays with PS3).

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Neonridr2735d ago

Depends on if you prefer physical media vs streaming. Audio/Videophiles who have state of the art equipment most definitely will care. I mean sure, streaming 4K looks "good enough", but it's still not the same as watching native content with the appropriate bitrates.

Besides, file sizes only get larger with higher resolution digital files. And sadly not everyone has infinite bandwith to work with.

darthv722735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

I tend to buy the bluray / dvd combos and some of them include digital vouchers that i have never cashed in on. I think they expire after a period of time....?

Patcher is right. Some don't care, but there are others that do. If the PS5 is going to continue the optical trend then it's likely it will have a UHD drive.

I have this feeling though that PS5 will be an all digital unit considering the optical in the PS4 really is only used to install. You can't play games from it so in a PS5 it is one less thing to go wrong.

Cindy-rella2735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

I cant wait to buy a gaming console to watch uhd blu rays on it. Sar sar.

Im buying ps4 pro first day at an attractive price point to play video games on it. Im glad its not 50 quid more expensive so i can buy expensive uhd blu ray discs. I love the quality of uhd blu ray discs but id realistically buy only a few . Streaming quality isnt as good as the uhd blu ray version of media but its way cheaper and more convenient. I wish the ps4 pro had 10 tflops with two turn tables and a microphone but it would be very expensive.

Aenea2735d ago

Nah, they won't go full digital, I would so hate that. If I would still be buying discs for movies I probably would've cared a bit about not having UHD Blurary in de Pro since I don't buy physical movies anymore, but I do buy most of my games physical still since I like it more and it's around €20 a pop cheaper.

Sony said they noticed that most people don't use the PS4 for bluray movies/series so it makes sorta sense, am sure they also know that many people still buy their games on disc tho...

As for the future, there are already bluray discs that can hold 300+ GB they could go with that instead for the games...

darthv722735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

@arena... well all digital may be a bit of a stretch but I just have a feeling the PS5 wont have an optical drive. It may be stepping out of the norm since sony started with one on the PS1 but with flash memory and hdd being so much larger in capacity now than before it just make more financial sense for them to go a different route that will save them $$ but be a return on investment.

they could go with their own format of carts (micro cards) that would mean no moving parts to wear down and possibly break and much quicker loading. I think they have stuck with optical for so long because they were part of the group that eventually made it a standard for music, movies and eventually... games. It doesnt seem likely they would keep the legacy format simply for games. They are working on the next big thing, it's inevitable.

@Master, that was 7 years ago. People's perception of things change over time, especially if the company that makes it convinces you of it. In regards to the Go, there were the other PSP models as well and the Go was simply a remodel that was focused on all digital content. It did ok for itself but obviously not as good as the 2000 / 3000 so you really can't base things off of that situation.

If sony were to come out tomorrow and announce the PS5 and their all digital plan (or going with micro card media) you can bet that people would be all for it because of the drawbacks to optical media. All sony has to do is sell it in a way that convinces people and you will be on board as well.

Master of Unlocking2735d ago

I don't buy that for a second. The point of the PSP Go a few years back was to test the waters to see if consumers were ready for an all-digital console. The resounding response was a big fat "NO", and Sony got the message and came up with the PS4 which uses discs. A digital-only PS5 would spell a complete disaster for the brand, so no, I really don't think they'll do that, nor do I want it, or the vast majority of gamers want it, for that matter.

Bronxs152735d ago

I can't wait to buy a gaming console to play games on. Then another expense device to watch movies on. Sar sar.

That way I get to get extra hdmi cables. And I love filling up all the hdmi ports on my tv. Hate having them empty. Oh ya don't talk for the extra remote for the dedicated blu ray play. I love having them to decorate my living room.

frostypants2735d ago

I could see full digital IF you could load games to some kind of thumbdrive at a store kiosk. The problem with going download-only is the data cap BS being played by major ISPs. Downloading a game is a huge chunk of your monthly data.

rainslacker2735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

I don't think any console maker is going to go all digital just yet. At the best, they'll offer an all digital option akin to the PSP Go or something.

A lot can change in the years between now and when the PS5 releases, but I still don't see physical going away anytime soon. Mix ratios still favor physical, and after MS DRM policies getting such backlash, companies are going to be more reserved in the future trying to push such things....or do it in more subtle ways like they are now.

Going to something other than optical drive may be a thing though. SRAM memory has become so cheap on the manufacturing level that it's hardly much difference between a disc anymore, but disc still has the advantage. However, cart solutions of some sort tend to mean that more games may be released digitally for some games, because there is a larger barrier to entry on the publishing level. It'd be one of those things where using carts would save money on the hardware, but would likely be lost on the software...although that wouldn't be as much of a concern for Sony since they'll likely manufacture the cart solution for the publishers.

Armyntt2734d ago

I don't mind if anyone went all digital but where I live I get decent broadband at about 90 megs a sec but I only 500 gigs a month. And between vue, my kids on YouTube, and multiplayer I've gone over many times and charged like 10 bucks for every 50 gigs. So if they went that route the games could essentially cost me ten bucks more per game.

mark_parch2734d ago

for me its not a massive deal right now but I imagine it will be in 12 months time when UHD blu rays are cheaper. also my internet is nowhere near fast enough to stream 4k and that aint changing anytime soon. so yes in the near future it will matter to me

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Omnislashver362735d ago

I think the main issue is that it doesn't cost them much more for a UHD drive, probably $10-20, maybe even less because they'd be producing. This is all a ruse for them to sell more Sony UHD Blu-Ray players, which is terrible when Xbox is doing it built in.

rainslacker2735d ago

I wish Sony just offered a premium version with it. They'd likely charge $100 for what amounts to an additional $10-15 though....if reports on the price difference are to be believed.

I still think Sony dropped the ball here. I understand they want to make money, and offer the PS4P/Slim at a reasonable price that will attract customers, but they have an interest in UHD, and they'd make that money back on software and UHD sales...even if not everyone partook in the purchase of UHD's.

freshslicepizza2734d ago

im kind of surpised by the omission of a drive. that means the adoption will be thast much slower because the playstation can really help the format. but i dont think sony dropped the ball, $399 is a great price and grteat value for what the system offers. i just wish they were not holding the potential back by throttling the system so that it plays g ames exactly the same as the original ps4 unless devs update the game.

ngaydazng72734d ago

I'm glad they spent the 10-20 extra on GPU

Cueil2734d ago

@moldybread I'm starting to think the throttling has more to do with their OS then we'd like to think. Microsoft was able to scale up with no issues but Mark seemed to hint that there were some compatibility issues with games when the clock rate went up.

nitus102734d ago (Edited 2734d ago )

No one is forcing you to buy the PS4pro or the PS4 for that matter. If you feel that you really do need a UHD player in your games machine that will never be used for gaming then you can always buy the XB1slim. After all, Microsoft has not changed its policy on entertainment since the E3 reveal of the XB1. https://www.youtube.com/wat... 😉

@rainslacker

It is good business sense not to offer too many choices when it comes to consoles as this does confuse the majority of consumers.

Personally, I was expecting Sony to have the Neo (now the PS4 pro) to have a UHD player but it makes sense not to since a UHD player has nothing to do with games. Sure some people are upset but they are in the vocal minority since the majority of consumers don't care and they are the ones Sony is catering for. What next, are we going to get people clamoring to have the PS4pro playing VCD's, CD's and how about VHS tapes? What about AV and S-Video outputs?

Of course, we could always insist on HDMI 2.0a and HDR for the PS4pro. Oh! I forgot all PS4's have those features.

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Barricade2735d ago

Audio/Videophiles probably have a dedicated device to play those high quality media. So I'm not sure they will care about the lack of a UHD drive, they'll care about the quality of the games.

starchild2734d ago

The very act of buying the PS4 Pro for games proves that people aren't so all-or-nothing about the quality of their games. Why buy a PS4 Pro when the regular PS4 would allow you to play the same games? Well, because games look and run better on it. But it's still not as good as a good gaming PC so doesn't that mean that those who care about quality wouldn't buy it?

You see the problem with your logic? People can care about the quality of their games or movies and still not choose to fork out the money for the best options. They might choose a cheaper upper-midrange option.

I care about the quality of my movies and don't want to rely on streaming, and I would really like to be able to start playing UHD movies on my new Vizio P series tv, but I'm not made out of money and I really was hoping to kill two birds with one stone by buying the PS4 Pro (when I assumed it would have UHD Bluray capability).

Barricade2734d ago

@starchild

Well lucky for Sony they have exclusives. Which would make the PS4 Pro the best place to play those games. So no, I don't see the problem with my logic. I'm thinking about heavy hitters like Horizon, God of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted 4.

Not everyone is into pc gaming too you know, and audio/videophiles who spend money on all the dvd/cd/blu-ray/UHD blu-ray they own won't give a damn about spending money to buy a good UHD player.

hells_supernova2735d ago

The 4K Blu-ray market is tiny, I have never seen a 4K blu-ray in a store here in NZ and I worked selling 4K TV's which were getting more and more popular. I have only seen them online and for me personally I am happy with normal blu-ray for my personal situation. In saying that I think it was a good move on Sony's part to keep the PS4Pro at $400 USD as that's the sweet spot.

Plus if you can afford a 4K TV you can afford both consoles lets be honest.

Neonridr2735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

JB Hi-Fi sells 4K blu rays.

nitus102734d ago

@Neonrid

You are quite right JB Hi-Fi (in Australia) does sell UHD Bluray movies at two to four times the price of the same movie on 1080p Bluray. As far as numbers go there is only a tiny selection of UHD Bluray movies available compared to 1080p Bluray and DVD. titles.

Aenea2735d ago

Audio/videophiles who have state of the art equipment might not care all that much either since they then probably want a state of the art UHD bluray player...

Including an UHD bluray player is more for the people in between I suppose, people who care just enough about it but are not quite audio/videophiles and don't care enough to buy a separate player for it...

kraenk122735d ago

Tbh if you're really an audio-/videophile person you can still buy a dedicated UHD-BluRay drive...why should everybody else pay for something he/she never makes use of?!

gamer78042735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

There are 3 types of content though you left one out. Physical, Streaming, and Digital (which can be downloaded) Digital downloaded can exceed blu ray and go well beyond 4k.

UltimateOne882735d ago

"Audio/Videophiles who have state of the art equipment most definitely will care."

I am one of those people with state-of-the-art equipment and using a game console to play UHD blu-rays is NOT state-of-the-art. I'll be getting OPPO's new UHD player in January when it releases.

I think casual watchers of movies would appreciate the inclusion in the PS4 Pro but most just want better looking/running games.

I get your point and I'm not trying to call you out or anything just making a clarification based on my viewpoint.

I agree with the basis of your point though :)

rainslacker2735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

I'm one of those middle of the road audio/videophiles. While I like good stuff, I'm not willing to spend two-three times as much for it. To me, the X1S would be an acceptable compromise until really good stand alones come out. I've seen it run UHD's, and they look good enough. I'd prefer the better audio formats, because I do splurge a bit there on speakers and will eventually update my now obsolete 4K receiver(which I brought for 4K and then got screwed on the whole HDR thing), so I will be sure to get one with all the newer codecs.

However, I agree with you....every AV forum post I read is either absolutely not, or it depends on what you want from it. It's not a bad player, but it's nothing special. Maybe they'll update some thing to include some of the newer audio codecs down the line. Picture quality seems devisive among the AV forum types, although most say the stand alones tend to have slightly better quality, and better user interfaces.

LamerTamer2734d ago (Edited 2734d ago )

There are some of us who just like owning their favorite movies too. I am just not into renting everything. It is ok for some movies that I don't really care that much about, but I want a physical option. I have decent equipment but not top of the line but still prefer blu-ray. I would like to have UHD as it is still better than streaming and why buy old non UHD blu rays if the better ones are available?

It is dumb for Sony not including it based on the estimated extra cost. They could have charged $15.00 more or just ate the cost for now too make it back on software.

EverydayGuy2734d ago

Xbox One S can’t stream Dolby Atmos, nor a true DTS TrueHD signal.

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IamTylerDurden12735d ago

The sales of physical 4k blu rays are incredibly low. Physical 4k blu rays just don't very much, it's really not a big deal and Patcher is right.

LamerTamer2734d ago

And streaming sucks. The quality is shit and you can't own anything. Streaming is an ok option but should not be the only thing.

Sparta072735d ago

Not to many customers really care cause not too many 4k tvs out there. Like I said before out of all of my friends I'm the only one with a 4k tv. They are not going to throw out there hdtv just to upgrade.
I think sony was smart to do this, keep the cost of the Pro low keep it affordable and just throw in uhd drive with the PS5.
I doubt they will go all digital with PS5 especially with games.

S2Killinit2735d ago

since the beginning of blurray I have bought a total of 3 movies, and that was only because either someone else bought them for me, or I needed to rent a movie but couldn't find one that everyone agreed on so I bought one instead. I think I will manage w/out ultra blu-ray with its unreasonably high prices and limited variety.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2735d ago

Michael Pachter has been making sense lately... Maybe he went to rehab and stopped frying his brain?

rainslacker2735d ago

Audio/videophiles aren't going to be getting the X1S for UHD. It lacks some of the audio outputs that they'd be looking for.

I've read the posts on AV forums about it, and most seem to consider it an acceptable entry level machine for those who don't care too much, with sufficient video quality, and good enough audio support depending on a person's needs, but they seem to recommend stand alones, or waiting it out for some of the new one's coming soon which will have much better features at a comparable price.

Obviously, it's one of those things where it kind of depends on the buyer. The UHD in the X1S is just for those who want to watch 4K movies and being able to get most of the quality, but aren't really so hellbent on getting the best experience. It's also good for the more casual movie viewer interested in it, because it's a better value overall than stand alones at the moment.

sentury1112734d ago

Phil Spencer the other day confirmed Colby atmos, dtsx etc is coming in next few updates.
Also done will be updated with HDMI pass through for bitstreamed audio.

rainslacker2734d ago

Good to know. Must have missed that. I figured they'd add support over time though.

Not going to upgrade to it myself since I have no need for one and will just opt for a stand alone when the price is right, but happy for those who want the features.

madpuppy2734d ago

"Audio/Videophiles who have state of the art equipment most definitely will care."

True, They will care so much that even considering a PS4 Pro as a Proper playback device of UHD media would be out of the question.

An Audio/VideoPhile would purchase a high end UHD player to connect to their High End Audio and video equipment, NOT utilize a secondary feature of a game console.
Think about it, these are the people that will spend 1500.00 on a "special" interconnect (hdmi cable for us normal people) to connect the UHD player to their system.

LamerTamer2734d ago (Edited 2734d ago )

But does "high end" players matter much these days for these discs? They are digital and output digital signals to the TV. The only way they would be bad is if they skipped or froze all of the time or something. It is not like the old days where quality analog devices like turn tables made a big difference.

wsoutlaw872734d ago

There really isn't that many people buying bluray discs to watch on their ps4 and I don't see red box carrying many uhd versions. People act like they care, but probably wouldn't have used it.

silvacrest2734d ago

I would have though Audio/Videophiles would already have an UHD bluray player anyway

Neonridr2734d ago

I don't. I will be purchasing a 4K TV this fall or early next year. So would have been nice to save me the money from buying a separate player. Just because someone prefers quality doesn't mean they have to spend a fortune on everything.

Muzikguy2734d ago

Pachter is all over the place again. First talks down on Sony now saying people don't care. What's next?

Oh, and gamingbolt sucks!

Mroc132734d ago

Audio/Videophiles who have state of the art equipment will not buy a PS4 Pro and their bluray player. They'd have a state of the art player. It doesn't bother me at all as I'm still in 1080p land and will be for some time. No 4k for movies isn't a big deal at all. I only buy discs for movies that I really enjoyed and I'd only want 4k for movies with some serious special effects. No one needs to see Kevin Hart in 4K

2pacalypsenow2734d ago (Edited 2734d ago )

Audio/Videophiles who have state of the art equipment aren't using PlayStation or Xbox as their UHD Blu ray players.

If you complain about having to use another HDMI port on the tv or buy another "Expensive player" then you wont tell the difference between digital and physical with your equipment.

Neonridr2734d ago

lol, why should I HAVE to spend another 300-400 bucks on a standalone player? Just because I like quality doesn't mean that I should have to spend a fortune on another item clogging up my TV stand.

PS3 blu ray player wasn't the best out there either, but guess what, it helped bring that format to the masses. Sometimes it's also about convenience. I guarantee you that a physical 4K disc through the Xbox will look way better than a digital file that is streamed from Netflix or wherever.

2pacalypsenow2734d ago (Edited 2734d ago )

Because if you want state of the art you have to.

People who have "State of the art" equipment don't have them on a TV stand plugged in to the back of the HDMI port, they have them on an AV rack with a Bd player that separates the audio and video with the Video going into a processor and audio into a Pre Amp.

PS3 was one of the highest rated Blu ray players for years, right under Oppo and Marantz, and majority of 4k blu ray movies are not even filmed in 4k, so unless your TV is very good and you have very good eyes the difference will be negligible.

I have a X930c in my loft and I can barely tell the difference between a Blu Ray and 4k Blu Ray because the upscalling does a decent job.

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Hoffmann2735d ago

Am more than happy with dvds and blurays still and don't want to switch to another movie format already.

TheUndertaker852735d ago

...Except for UHD discs are larger capacity Blu-Ray discs. Out of anything digital content is another format.

Hoffmann2735d ago

The thing is that I bought my last TV in 2012 and I don't buy a new one before the old one is broken..that'sy why anything 4K is obsolete for me now anyway ..

TheUndertaker852735d ago

UHD drives are not made for 4K only. It does add 4K support but other advantages include larger disc capacities.

ILostMyMind2735d ago

But what is the difference, since games won't sold in UHD discs?

zeuanimals2735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

Problem is, older Xbox Ones don't have UHD capabilities. They can't sell Xbox One games on UHD discs unless they specifically label them unplayable on the original Xbox One, which will just lead to headaches. This means they'll have to print games on both formats for Xbox One or they'll just not use UHD BDs for gaming this gen. Next-gen will likely see the full adoption of UHD and they'll abandon original BDs.

BlackTar1872735d ago

except UHD isn't going to be for games on Scorpio unless MS changes the must play on both statement. Also let's stop pretending that they can't use 120GB BluRay discs if they need more space.

TheHorseTamer2734d ago (Edited 2734d ago )

UHD disc can make a big difference for Scorpio games and is a possibility that it will be incorporated for games by MS. For example, Red Dead Redemption 2 can come in both UHD blu-ray and a regular blu-ray version. With the UHD disc version having extra space to allow higher texture for 4K all on a single UHD disc and is made specifically for Scorpio. The regular blu-ray edition is for all Xbox Ones including Scorpio but if the Scorpio version of the game exceeds the 50gb limit of blu-ray, then the additional gb for 4K textures will be downloaded via the internet. By having an additional UHD disc option, it can be a life saver for people with internet speed issue and cap limit.

With many games already at or close to the 50gb limit, don't be surprise that many future PS4/Xbox games will also require the user to download additional part of a game online so the UHD drive with it's 2X capacity over standard Blu-ray can serve a purpose as well.

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Aenea2735d ago

And that's why I stopped buying physical movies... Had a nice VHS collection back in the day, then a DVD collection, when Bluray came around I thought "f it, not gonna start a new collection..."

Hoffmann2735d ago

Yup ^^ That's exactly it.

Gave up all the collecting of physical media anyway, am even trying to get most games in digital form now. And honestly, you watch a movie 1-2 times and that's it usually. I used softwares to rip my dvds and blurays and made isos of them, all stored on a 4TB external hdd ..there is more space for other stuff in the living room now.

darthv722735d ago

I'll go one better. I still have a nice laserdisc collection because most of the LD movies were changed when they rereleased them on DVD (and then again on bluray) like the original Star Wars trilogy. I prefer the original instead of the redone (and somewhat ruined) remasters on other formats.

Bottom line is, if you already have the movie and the means to play it then you can't blame the other formats for you wanting to re-buy them all over again. That is the personal choice and not a requirement each time a re-release comes out. Take that into consideration for games as well. I already have last of us so I dont need a Ps4 remake or any other remakes that have been released in recent years for that matter as the ones I have are perfectly fine for me.

Deadpooled2734d ago

darthv72

Heard of the star wars despecialised trilogy? It was started by a dedicated Czech English teacher who wanted to restore the original trilogy to as close to original quality (pre 1997 with the cleanliness of the blu ray edition, without the special edition bullcrap edits) as possible, and considering the guy was initially a novice and learned his way through editing each frame he did a fantastic job at editing the films.

SgtSlaughter2122735d ago

Let me get this straight. Below, you rip on someone's ability to use proper English, but then use the word "obsolete" incorrectly when referring to 4K technology?

Good stuff, bud.

Deadpooled2734d ago

His N4G pic is Broken Matt Hardy, he has the right to use words like DELETE and OBSOLETE

JaninatorXd2734d ago

Yeah maybe u dont want to, but also u cant. i dont get why people are defendig negative stuff with "uhh i dont care". i mean if it makes u happy :)

Cueil2734d ago

Microsoft isn't going to force developers to support Xbox One if they want to make a Scorpio only game. They promised that THEY would not leave us behind no that some of these other companies wouldn't. I'm guessing that UHD disc will start to show up in 2018 and become pretty standard for Xbox by 2019. It would not be surprising if the Scorpios sales are such that by 2020 you'll only see games like Madden and FIFA using standard BR disc.

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corroios2735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

I think the ps4 pro slim could have one.Lol. How movies did gamers bought withe ps4 . Iike movies and only have 61, but how many others bought?
If people are going digital with games, movies will go the same route

Thatguy-3102735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

They didn't care for BluRay last generation so doubt they'll suddenly care for the new format this generation. The mainstream consumers will be complacent with it just playing movies even if it's the basic format.

TheUndertaker852735d ago

...Yes they did as Sony pushed Blu-Ray with PS3, alluding to the larger capacity discs, less compression, and quality.

People also complained about 360 games in cases needing multiple DVD discs while PS3 games came on one disc.

DarkHeroZX2735d ago

Yeah except they pushed Bluray with gaming in mind though. UHD isn't doing the same.

kraenk122735d ago

Sony pushed BluRay as data storage format. It's a different case this time.

TheUndertaker852735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

It is though as then physical 4K games will be a possibility to produce while leaving out a UHD drive will eliminate that possibility short of uscaling.

Further DVD was pushed as a movie format that could also help gaming.

Thatguy-3102735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

@theundertaker85
What darkherozx said. Again people complained about it but it didn't stop them from purchasing a 360. That sort of mentality won't change now

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ILostMyMind2735d ago

In the last gen they used BRD for games. In this gen they will use UHD only for movies. I'm glad i did not have to pay for something that i will not use.

sentury1112734d ago

Scorpio could use uhd for higher res textures. Games are already at capacity with bluray.
I could see this happening

kstuffs2734d ago

And yet the PS4 Slim without UhD BluRay and without optical out costs the SAME prices as XB1 Slim. How do you explain that?

BizarroUltraman2735d ago

What? Playstation 3 is what made Blu Ray at the time the best player on the market. And I bought it Day One $630.

frostypants2735d ago (Edited 2735d ago )

@DarkHeroZX: "Yeah except they pushed Bluray with gaming in mind though."

Nah. They had movies in mind all along. The put them in PS3s to get as many out in the field as possible as quickly as possible, with an eye towards solidifying it as a film media. It had less to do with gaming and more to do with jumpstarting the Blu-ray movie market. If all they cared about was games, they probably wouldn't have bothered. Back then those drives were expensive to make and they increased the cost of the PS3 significantly. It was a calculated risk.

For a long time the PS3 was considered to be the best Blu-ray player available for the money. People who didn't even play games normally were buying them just for movies.

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PhoenixUp2735d ago

Still wouldn't hurt "It only does Everything" Sony to include the feature

nitus102734d ago

You are right and it never will because the player does not have a laser capable of reading CD's. The player can only read DVD and Bluray disks. Even the XB1 can't read CD's so get over it already.

If you really want to play your CD's on the PS4 or XB1 then just rip them to mp3 onto a USB stick and play them that way it's actually pretty easy. Of course, if you don't have a CD player for your PC well I can't help you.

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ZeekQuattro3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Turned based Phantasy Star and Shinning Force remain at the top of my list of Sega IPs that need to return. At the very least I'd take a Shining Force collection that has 1,2,3, CD and the Game Gear entries.

FinalBoss3d ago

I was hesitant to put these two on. I've personally played more PSO than the RPG version. And shame on me, I don't remember much about Shining Force to talk about it properly.

That said, so many Sega licences deserve their place in this list.

jznrpg21h ago

A new Phantasy Star in the numbered series would be amazing. Shining Force too. But I’d settle on some collections as that’s probably the best we will get

anast2d ago

I don't trust Sega to do a proper comeback. The games will be just remastered and/or monetized to death.

gold_drake2d ago

shining force.

but indont see that happening unfortunately.

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Former Blizzard President Suggests Players Should Have Option to Tip Developers

Former Blizzard president Mike Ybarra recently suggested an interesting concept that has sparked a debate among gamers - the idea of being able to tip developers after completing a game.

LG_Fox_Brazil9d ago

If I had a 100% way to be sure that this money would go to a fund or a reserve dedicated only to the guys who develop the games, be them designers, artists, programmers and so on, I could think about it.

But we all know that this 'tip' would only end up in a publisher's CEO pocket to buy a new yacht, so, no, I ain't tipping anyone anytime soon on this industry

neutralgamer19928d ago

Exactly these companies were raising money for good causes and gamers were donation and come to find out they are keeping a good chunk of be pie

PapaBop8d ago

Yeah tip your developer, 5% proceeds go to developer, 95% to the publisher or whoever. Isn't tipping for staff not making minimum wage? How about they just pay their developers properly and like you know, give them fair bonuses? Too much to ask from Blizzard these days, Kotick saw to that and is now laughing all the way to the bank.

MrDead8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

It's the t**ts at the top looking at ways to cut devs wages and get the players to tip them like waiting staff, and I'll guarantee a percentage is skimmed and kept by Activision Blizzard. This is 100% for shareholder and CEO playouts.

Popsicle8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I have to agree with this. On the surface tipping devs sounds like a great idea, but in the end it leads to pay cuts and subsidization of pay. Tips then become an expectation or the devs “can’t make a living.” Lastly, especially in the US, tip culture has gotten out of control, and it serves as an excuse not to properly pay employees. Sounds good but doesn’t end well.

drizzom7d ago

@ Popsicle

I think your right on the nose with how much tipping has become rampant. Instead of it being a relationship directly between the customer and the developer or employee, it now has a middle man ingrained in the system. DoorDash is one example. It ends up becoming a metric where the company can measure 'just how much more money you are willing to part with' before raising the price on the main product.

1Victor8d ago

Uh so they’re trying triple dip or more we buy the game that they’re already withholding/cutting content for dlc we was told that season pass would help the developers thrive we felt for it.
Now on top of all that plus their sales bonus they want tips enough is enough whatever happens to you create/built a good game get a bonus for sales milestones you care about your game and community we reward you with more sales not for doing 3/4 of a game then save the other 1/4 for dlc and passes after

raWfodog8d ago

The 'tip' is me buying your game in the first place.

S2Killinit8d ago

Very well said. If it was possible to send the money to either the developer or some organization for the betterment of gaming, sure. But we all know that will not be the case.

Rynxie8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

No, it would go to those on the top. They will still fire developers, have a bunch of microtransactions, raise prices of games and so on.

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H99d ago

So they eventually don't pay their workers and depend on our tips to pay them like the case with waiters!

Deeeeznuuuts8d ago

That kind of practice is only normal in the states, as far as I know anyway, what a backwards system

H98d ago

No it's as well in a every country that wants to amercanize

bloop8d ago

Ireland is literally the first stop across the pond and we don't have a tipping culture. The only establishments here that would expect a tip are the tourist haunts that Americans visit. Other than that, you might tip in a restaurant as a sign of gratitude for great service and waiting staff would be paid a full wage anyway.

Rebel_Scum8d ago

Tipping is not customary iin most countries dude. Get a passport lol.

Jin_Sakai9d ago

Is this a joke? How about the big wigs giving up some of their pay for their hard working developers.

MrBaskerville8d ago

Maybe the CEO could earn his money based on tips.

mastershredder9d ago

good god. The devs are not baristas dude. Total 1% ideals. Fing Chadosaurus.

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