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Phil Spencer Wants "Xbox To Be Seen As A Great Consumer, Gaming Brand"; Discusses Scorpio's Price

Microsoft's Phil Spencer recently talked about his vision for the Xbox brand and how he wants it to be perceived at the end of the generation. He also talked about the Scorpio's pricing.

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LordMaim2762d ago

"So I think you will feel like it’s a premium product, a premium console. And not something, anything more than that. So I wouldn’t get people worried that this thing is going to be unlike any console price you’ve ever seen. We didn’t design it that way."

Here's the reveal "I wouldn’t get people worried that this thing is going to be unlike any console price you’ve ever seen."

Premium console, no more expensive than other console prices at launch. It's going to launch at $599, just like the PS3 launch price that we all balked at. Maybe it's good to be an early adopter after all.

Blurd2761d ago

Nop,they will not make the same mistake twice. Remember that the Xbox at the beginning was more expensive.
With Scorpio in mind it is easy but they reduce profit and earn more sales and softawre Live as happens like MS has a lot of money it is not hard to happen .

LordMaim2761d ago

I remember. I paid it, not knowing that this BS would come mid generation. Still they wouldn't be using the word "premium" repeatedly if it was going to come out and be $399. It's not an accident that Spencer has tagged the Scorpio with that word in multiple interviews.

QUIMICOMORTAL2761d ago

Easy? no way they can match ps4 pro's price.

Remeber how much they charged for a "premium product"? 150 for a controller! I have seen the console being sold for 200 sometimes and they charged 150 for a controler, because it is "premium".

Kingthrash3602761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Makes you wonder what's under the hood. I mean you hear 4k uncomprimised. Most powerful this and that...twitter punches thrown....then it starts to get downplayed more and more...1st party games are 4k..devs need to work for it....price not so premium......I wonder what's really happening over there. This just raised more questions.

Eonjay2761d ago

That is also him saying its not a premium PC... which as we know can be extremely expensive. He is saying its still a console so it should cost less than what you could spend on a PC. it could be anywhere from 399 - 599. Anything above that means you are pushing into the price range of a moderately decent PC.

Aceman182761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Well it sells in US and UK, it's the rest of the world that pretty much doesn't care for their brand. You wanna actually win an generation outright you must be popular worldwide not just 2 regions.

@omega, Justin

Are you stalking me omega lol its common sense for everyone to see, justin it hasn't helped X1 one bit this generation.

omegaheat2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Didn't you just post that same comment in another Xbox article several hours ago? You guys are working really hard.

DJustinUNCHAIND2761d ago

Those two countries make up nearly 65% of all console sales.

Red_Renegade2761d ago

so how did wii and ps3 beat 360 without leading in those two? hint: it was the rest of the world.

conanlifts2761d ago

The rest of the world? Australians and canadians like the xbox and neither of those countries are in the us or uk.

kneon2761d ago

@DJustinUNCHAIND

Those markets make up 65% of xbox sales only because they'd have to give them away in the rest of the world to make any progress in market share. Sony and Nintendo sales aren't nearly as dependent on North America as Microsoft is.

shiva12760d ago (Edited 2760d ago )

Most of the people in that rest of the world care price. Its the stupid tax or whatever doubles the price of these consoles in rest of the world. So which ever is cheaper goes off the shelves fast. Just so that u know, the original xbox is selling way above $500 in some countries... Same with PS4.

If China brings a console which is half the price of these brands (same setup, just that no import tax) you would be talking otherwise of brand, because then rest of the world would show what its all about.

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TheCommentator2761d ago

But $600 is more expensive than other consoles at launch. Historically, most consoles launch at $400 just like the Pro. I see no reason why the Scorpio should be any different, but maybe we'll see it at $500 tops, because Phil also said that he doesn't want the price gap to be too large between the 1S and Scorpio.

Angeljuice2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

"But $600 is more expensive than other consoles at launch."

Not true, both the 3DO and the Neo Geo were $700 and $650 respectively. If you take inflation into account, you get many more topping that figure.

Even the Atari 2600 cost the equivalent of $796 ($200 at launch). Apple pippin was expensive and one or two consoles cost over $1000 when you apply inflation to the launch cost.

LordMaim2761d ago

Literally in the comment you're replying to is the phrase "$599, just like the PS3 launch price that we all balked at."

So $600 isn't more expensive than other consoles at launch.

TheCommentator2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Okay, smart guys, what console was ever successful at a price over $400? PS3 didn't sell well until it was $400. XB1 had major struggles until they removed Kinect. 3DO and Neo Geo were utter failures. You're grasping at straws by taking my statement out of context.

LordMaim2759d ago

@TheCommentator: First things first, being successful has nothing to do with this. If they wanted success, they would have waited till the next generation in a couple years, and done a full production run of whatever hardware comes next to reduce price to a more reasonable level.

Had the PS3 been not saddled with the Cell processor, it would have sold better than the 360 at the start due to the Blu-ray drive. The Scorpio will ostensibly have a UHD blu-ray, and be half again as powerful as the Xbox One. Once they cut ties with the original Xbox One, and let developers program exclusively for the Scorpio, they'll be able to sell at $599. They've said repeatedly that they won't do that, but its the only move that makes sense to me. Scorpio's going to be 4.5x more powerful than the Xbox One, and the first casualty in the war on the PS4 is going to be us early adopters.

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rainslacker2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Well...the 3DO was priced at $699. Steambox can get up to $1400.

So, we can assume that the price won't be more than $1400. Or $699, if they're talking about traditional consoles.

Granted, I think no more than $499 will be their target. I think that's the point where if it's more, people stop looking at it being a good value or worth the money, and even at that price, it's will turn some people away without looking too hard. But with MS pushing this as a premium console(read elite console), they will go off that market which isn't as concerned about the price, and then open up the doors later to the mainstream by reducing the price when it becomes prudent.

LastCenturyRob2761d ago

@ Red_Renegade.... You forget that the 360 sold more software than both the Wii and Ps3.

SmielmaN2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

I think Sony and MS are taking the smart phone route here with these consoles and see that ppl will drop $400-$800 on a new product every two years to do the same thing as their old one. I wouldn't put the Scorpio a penny under $600 here in Canada as the Pro is being sold for $500.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think it will be like that for the holidays then come March it will come down again. Just my opinion.

DJustinUNCHAIND2761d ago

Holy heck. Let's calm down, eh?

stiggs2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

It's interesting that you infer Spencer's statement is proof that the Scorpio will be priced at $600. Why did your mind immediately jump to to the worst case scenario?

You seem to be erroneously associating the Scorpio with the original PS3. The $600 price tag of the third Sony console was NOT an advantageous price point and was incongruous with other consoles of the era. I don't think that MS is in a position to make the same error that Sony did with the release of the PS3.

It appears that you are reading something into his statement that is not really there. In contrast to your assessment I surmise that when Spencer said "I wouldn't get people worried" he is hinting that the Scopio will launch at a price point more in line with current consoles. But that's just me...

LordMaim2761d ago

The original PS3 also wasn't a "Premium console". And worst case scenario could go a lot worse than $599 as you see in other responses on this thread, but that's the recent high water mark for console launch prices. Given the hardware they're talking about for the Scorpio, $599 is expensive but a reasonable price for what you're getting, "a premium console. And not something, anything more than that." He's saying, don't expect it to be $1000, but there's no way you're getting that kind of hardware for less than $599 even a year from now.

BlackTar1872761d ago

Hi Stiggs,

Why didn't he say inline with current consoles then? He is good with words we all know this they all are so why not say inline with current pricing? Instead he leaves it open to being priced higher then current consoles but not above what we've seen. Ps3 is what he is referring to as i don't think he would even consider the $650 neogeo and $700 3do as part of the conversation.

His wording is pretty clear that he has a ceiling and he isn't ready to say it will fall below the ceiling or at the ceiling.

How you can take WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE as the current console pricing is more of a reach then saying he's leaving it open for the $600 price. Saying what we've seen befor is 299.99 -699.99 it's a pretty big window.

rainslacker2761d ago

I could actually see a $499 and a $599 SKU. Just like the PS3. While PS3 wasn't really a premium console, Sony did kind of market it as one. They went on a lot about CELL and how much power it had, and then of course BR. People brought the $599 version....both versions sold out the first 6 months whenever it was in stock, so there is certainly a market for a $600 console if the perceived value and power is there.

I am curious if they can get away with it the same way Sony did back then though, because now, the internet is much more mainstream, and while internet users have always been cynical, the mainstream is much more in touch with the negatives that surround products due to social media than they were back when last gen started.

Could be that MS takes this route just because they know early adopters will pay. Then move over to the $499 being the default SKU after 6-12 months or so. $499 seems like a much more reasonable price point unless they just want to price themselves out of the market though, and given the specs, I feel it's certainly achievable by the end of next year. Maybe not at a huge profit, or even a slight loss, but realistically, MS needs the Scorpio to catch on, so actually relying on software sales and XBL to make up any losses is probably a serious consideration.

iTechHeads2761d ago

It's more likely they will launch it at $499 and match the Xbox One launch price.
Their core fanbase will buy it no matter what and that's their target.

They can always to a price cut and free game promotions though. They love to do those.

stiggs2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

@LordMaim

In reference to the price point of the Scorpio Spencer said "the opening price point for the Xbox One S...you should expect the pricing (of the Scorpio) to kind of be in line with that."

@BlackTar187

He DID infer that the pricing will be inline with current consoles!

Did either of you read the whole article? If you did then where are you getting the idea that it will be $600?

QUIMICOMORTAL2761d ago

Exactly what I thought $599.00 but you wont get any exclusive anymore! because, you know, "no one is left behind"

ShadowKnight2760d ago (Edited 2760d ago )

Shh don't say that it will start a war on here. I see them selling it at $500 because Microsoft needs to sell more consoles. TBH I still think that's a lot for a console. The PS3 cost $500 at launch day and that was a disaster.

XanderZane2761d ago

$500 or less I'm thinking and I can definitely deal with that considering how powerful this console will be.

lastking952761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Nah, $500 max. $200 more than the og/slim xbox

KakashiHotake2761d ago

So you can predict the future now? You really think they're dumb enough to launch a console at $600 bucks when people barely want to pay $400 bucks for one? Dude you are a true fan boy.

XStation4pio_Pro2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

@QUIMICOMORTAL

No way the PS4 Pro can match Scorpio's power. Yeah. It probably will cost more than PS4 Pro. I kinda wish the PS4 Pro cost a bit more so It would have as much power and a 4k bluray drive too though. Still way cheaper than (tho still not as good as) a decked out pc.

miyamoto2760d ago

LOL! They said the Xbox One was a premium product and look how it turned out....

C-H-E-F2760d ago

Maybe yall are too young, but consoles like the 3DO sold for 700$ back in the day. He simply said "not like prices we've never seen". So it's a coin toss really. We will just have to wait n see. I mean for it to be so powerful, i really don't see it under 599. And if they do put it under that... shhh even under 549$ they are eating dirt for profits just to stay in the game.

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XMarkstheSpot2761d ago

I'm still guessing the price will be $499. Id be a little surprised if they can get it lower but it is possible if they want to take a profit hit or they can get a really good deal on parts, we'll see

Eonjay2761d ago

Thats what I am willing to bet too. Thats the sweet spot where the machine could potential be profitable in a years time and not too expensive where people are like 'eff that'. If I am willing to pay $499 for the PSVR, then people can't (but they will) say that its too expensive assuming the specs hold up.

BlackTar1872761d ago

They said it may not be be above $600 MAY so it might be.

Sm00thNinja2761d ago

It's amazing your brain decrypted all of that from his statement

BlackTar1872761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Yea Smooth whatever you say. The comment from him is speculating that it won't be above any console price that we've ever seen and we all know the high end is 600 (Ps3) it's amazing how sensitive you are to my comment.

BUT Neo Geo was $650 and 3do was $700. i don't believe he's thinking of these consoles but his statement isn't saying anything along the lines of it being cheaper then what we've seen and leaving room open for them to match the price of the most expensive consoles we've seen.

If he knows it's not gonna be in the higher end console pricing he would have flat out said it. The amount he could accomplish by saying it will be inline with Normal console release prices would be great but he isn't willing to even say that.

""I wouldn't get people worried that this thing is going to be unlike any console price you've ever seen.""

rainslacker2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

It's highly likely at this point they don't have a price set in stone. They may have some targets, and those targets can be achieved through changing up the system a bit when the time comes to go to manufacture, but likely, they will keep the price range open in order to be able to have more flexibility in the future.

I honestly wouldn't expect him to announce a price now even if they were firm on a target price. Too much can happen which could cause it to cost more when they go to sourcing between now and then for them to lock anything in. On top of that, announcing a price now would just give their competition information that they don't need to have, as it makes their decisions so much easier going forward. The competition is going to know within some reasonable certainty the appeal of the console at different price points and different target specs, and realistically, if MS is targeting certain specs(which they've already announced), they can make a pretty good guess on what it's going to cost MS to make the system, and derive the likely price point from that. About the only thing the competition wouldn't know is how much profit MS wants off the system, or how long they're willing to wait it out, or if MS would be willing to take a loss on each system sold to try and gain more market share. Announcing a price, would allow them to know all those things.

I honestly think MS shouldn't have announced the target specs of the system, and maybe should have just assured people that it would be the most powerful, and what they hoped to achieve with whatever they made(4K Gaming for instance). That would keep the competition guessing more, as Sony would know what would be required to achieve such things, but not know which route MS was going to take. As it is now, the two most expensive parts of the system, the GPU and the Memory, are known to at least some degree, and from that Sony can determine what parts MS is going to use....probably with a healthy dose of a few bits of info from other industry insiders through the common course of business.

Mystogan2761d ago

they could definitely take a profit hit. Especially now that their games will be on PC too.

XMarkstheSpot2761d ago

They talked multiple models like xb1s. If they have one with no UHD player like the Pro for ppl who dnt care about 4K movies on disk and lower HDD, it could drop the price. Maybe 400 min?

remixx1162761d ago

I would honestly pick up a Scorpio at 599$

499$ would be amazing.

SmielmaN2761d ago

$499 US would mean $599 here in Canada. I think your right on the money.

JasonKCK2761d ago

My predictions so far 90% $499 10% $599

gamer78042761d ago

I think you'll see a 399 version like one of the Xbox one s

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slate912761d ago

Its well on its way there. Just keep up the hard work your team has shown since 2014.

sammarshall1022761d ago

You guys are on the right track Phil

GrubsterBeater2761d ago

The right track would be investing in new IPS and creating new dev studios, not making a premium console that will still have the same old formula of games.

What's the point of a "beast" console that rarely gets a great game outside their usual Gears/Halo/Forza? What's the point of a console like that when they still have yet to even release a game anywhere near the visual quality of Uncharted 4 on the vanilla XBOX One. (They did it on PS4, so they should be able to make something like that on XBOX because you guys always say there's almost no difference between the two, right?)

I'm asking a serious question here. I honestly want to know what you guys think, because I honestly feel that new IPs and new developer studios is exactly what MS needs, not a premium console with the same old games.

Blurd2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Ori,Recore e Quantum Break, Sacelound etc, say Hello!

Sm00thNinja2761d ago

Just because you prefer Playstation doesn't mean other gamers don't prefer games on Xbox. Microsoft has plenty of games you cannot play on Playstation worth looking at. Next year alone fans still have Sea of Thieves, Crackdown, Halo Wars 2, and Scale bound to look forward to. Sure some of those don't interest you but other gamers are pretty damn excited. I agree new ips are always welcome and Playstation unveiled a plethora at E3. But Microsoft is fine when it comes to games. I love what Playstation is offering next year and I LOVE what Microsoft is offering next year as well.

sammarshall1022761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Don't you guys ever get tired of the Gears, Halo, Forza line lol that has been proven false time after time

Quantum Break
Scalebound
Ryse
Ori and the Blind Forest 1 and 2
Killer Instinct
Recore
State of Decay 1 and 2
Crackdown 3
Sunset Overdrive
Sea of Thieves
Max
Phantom Dust

And at next E3 we'll see more games from Microsoft

P.S Gears 4 looks amazing
Forza Horizon 3 is near perfect
Halo 5's campaign is good but the multiplayer is out of this world

jmetalhead778122761d ago

They have a number of new games this year and next. Plus, have you seen FH 3 and Gears 4 on Xbox one S?? And... Hell yeah I want to play those franchises on the Scorpio!!

Go play all your awesome games on the PS4... oh wait... that's right, you feel your time is better spent on commenting on an Xbox article. Lol! Do you realize how weak your argument is?!

nitus102761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Well until we get an official release date and price as far as I am concerned it's vapourware. 😉

xDealtwithIt2761d ago

Grubsterbeater wouldn't know about the many new IP's MS has out and are coming because fanboys like him who prefer Sony don't do their research not to mention they don't even own an Xbox to begin with,

I want to ask a serious question too? Why the concern in new IP's from MS for Xbox when your types are not interested in the console anyways?

Real talk?

No matter what you'll find something else wrong, look at metacritic scores, claim over hyped, talk about sales and anything else instead of actually being genuinely interested in another option for your hobby.I mean you guys always yell about exclusives but go crazy for Uncharted and the 100th remaster Sony puts out not to mention you guys are constantly tracking every MS game.

I would be more worried about Sony and their inability to put out a true premium console.

Mexxan2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Strange thing this false sense of 'loyality'. Love my Ps4 - but yeah, playing Forza Horison 3 now on S and a modest Rig.

C'mon son, just think Dr Pepper...

ps360s2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Gosh...you xbox fanboys are also the same! Like this playstation fanboy!

@jmetalhead778121h, xDealtwithIt1h

Can't wait for gears 4 ...pre loading and waiting patiently

The only game I am excited about and plus scalebound.

And phil says that and I believe him, his a true gamer but Ms as a whole is a different story...but have to admit Sony Playstation takes that title as a great gaming brand.

Microsoft just wants to takeover every sector of the industry and try to monopolize it all!

vickers5002761d ago

Lol, Uncharted 4 ? Witcher 3 and Ratchet and Clank both look better than Uncharted 4.

"Anywhere near the visual fidelity of u4"my ass.

Kiwi662761d ago

So all you see is those 3 games yet you somehow have missed all of the other new IP's that have released on xbox despite the multiple articles there has been about the new games , so does this prove that you have selective memory or just ignore them on purpose

GrubsterBeater2761d ago

Wow. You guys can't all be this dim.

You list games released, a few games releasing, and a few games so far out that we don't know when they will come out. You guys are the same people who say Sony only has games releasing way into the future, and then a look at your list shows you listing the same way out titles that you bash Sony for. You list mediocre rated games that are already out as if that shows me what is coming out for the future of XBox.

You can have a couple new IP's very rarely like MS does, or you can have new IP after new IP like Sony. You guys are missing the point and acting like I'm some rabid fanboy because MS doesn't release any games that I think look good? Hahaha you guys are insane.

rainslacker2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

@smooth and to some degree sammar

While true, the sales themselves do seem to indicate that Sony does have a more desirable library among the mainstream. Same way that 360 pushed ahead because it had a desirable library early on.

While there are certainly people that prefer Xbox games, MS wants to be successful, and the way to be more successful is attracting more people.

I feel that MS game line up, or at least what they focus their marketing on, only attracts those who are mostly already interested in the brand itself. In order to attract new customers they either have to create new studios, or move a lot of these 2nd party games higher up the marketing ranks. I don't personally think MS problem is lack of diversity, it's their lack of getting the word out about that diversity. Ask the modest gamer what MS has coming out, they're likely to say Forza, Gears, Halo, with no mention of any of those new IP's they've been pushing this gen. And that's why people say MS has the reputation for only releasing those games.

It's not necessary to give Halo, gears, or Forza the marketing budgets they get, because they could easily take some of that money and move it onto the titles which could help drive adoption to NEW customers, and not just current fans. I actually think MS does have games which would appeal to the Sony and Nintendo fans, but they do such a lackluster job of promoting them outside the hardcore segments, and even in the hardcore segments, there's a distinct difference between the marketing for their yearly staples, and those new, unique IP's which they have to offer.

As of right now, MS only seems to be getting the people who are already interested in their IP's, and the budget gamers. But even the budget gamers seem to be going towards PS, because quite honestly, the price difference isn't that great....and MS X1S is priced the same as the PS4 slim, so they're about to lose those budget gamers when the OGX1 sells through it's stock, because those budget gamers likely don't give a rats ass about UHD or 4K.

Here's what I see on a daily basis. People think that because they are fans, and in the know about all these games that MS has, that the average gamer is also aware of them. But that's not really true. It's not even true for Sony that much for the games they don't push as heavily. But on Sony platforms, they have more players who get the systems for that variety, and expect it, so they have more people buying it for that. Until MS changes the way it actually markets games to become known as a system with a lot of great variety, they're going to struggle. They actually did their best when they had variety, and a ton of desirable games coming out, which was the first 4 years or so of the 360. Food for thought.

colonel1792761d ago

I've been saying exactly that for a long time! The best strategy Microsoft could have with the Xbox is to invest in creating many new studios to make great first party titles. Of course people's preferences are different, but no one can't deny the vast variety that PlayStation first party have. Sony releases a lot of games that are first party each year.

Microsoft should focus on creating IPs, have variety to make the console for every type of gamer. A powerful console as Scorpio seems to be, will be great, but nothing beats great games. Even better, choice of many great games!

If we ONLY consider Sony's FIRST party PS4 games and Microsoft FIRST party Xbox One games. The difference is huge!

For me, that's the best strategy. That's why Nintendo beat Sega, and that's why Sony beat Nintendo. They both have many first party studios. (Sadly, Nintendo didn't continue making NEW IPs -until Splatoon, but their first party titles are very strong: Mario, Zelda, Metroid, StarFox, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Donkey Kong; they are all huge) Microsoft is in the same position of Nintendo, except that they have fewer first party games).

DCadence2760d ago

That's my whole contention about Xone, I can't justify buying a system with Gears/Halo/Forza as the main exclusive offerings, and of the three, only two I care about as I'm not a fan of racing sims.

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Sm00thNinja2761d ago

Microsoft will find a way to launch this thing under 500. By the time it's ready to come out that will be feasible. 6 Tera flops in late 2017 isn't out of this world.

danny8182761d ago

it would be the most powerful console on the market tho before ps5. It would be great to see MS chang its tracks a start a new generation and undercut the ps5

TKCMuzzer2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Hold up, apparently the Scorpio is not the start of a new generation, interesting to see were some of you gamers mind set is at though. You have literally given up on the Xbox One and want to wash the whole generation away. Don't worry, I pretty much think that is MS attitude as well, PS4 won't kill off the Xbox One, Scorpio will because users like yourself are just waiting to jump ship from the Xbox One and leave it to history. Thats how most people are coming across, they just don't want to admit it, losing out in sales and popularity to another console seems more important these days than gaming itself.
I don't know how it's all going to work out but one of these companies is going to find themselves in mid generation limbo, the Scorpio is powerful enough to warrant an upgrade but won't get exclusive software, the Pro looks like just a more powerful PS4 and the PS5 will dwarf them both and have exclusive software. I'm probably going to hang on until then as at least the change will be noticeable and won't be just about resolution as this is were most of the Pro and Scorpio's power is going to be used.

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ZeekQuattro2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Turned based Phantasy Star and Shinning Force remain at the top of my list of Sega IPs that need to return. At the very least I'd take a Shining Force collection that has 1,2,3, CD and the Game Gear entries.

FinalBoss2d ago

I was hesitant to put these two on. I've personally played more PSO than the RPG version. And shame on me, I don't remember much about Shining Force to talk about it properly.

That said, so many Sega licences deserve their place in this list.

jznrpg8h ago

A new Phantasy Star in the numbered series would be amazing. Shining Force too. But I’d settle on some collections as that’s probably the best we will get

anast2d ago

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gold_drake1d 15h ago

shining force.

but indont see that happening unfortunately.

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LG_Fox_Brazil8d ago

If I had a 100% way to be sure that this money would go to a fund or a reserve dedicated only to the guys who develop the games, be them designers, artists, programmers and so on, I could think about it.

But we all know that this 'tip' would only end up in a publisher's CEO pocket to buy a new yacht, so, no, I ain't tipping anyone anytime soon on this industry

neutralgamer19927d ago

Exactly these companies were raising money for good causes and gamers were donation and come to find out they are keeping a good chunk of be pie

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Yeah tip your developer, 5% proceeds go to developer, 95% to the publisher or whoever. Isn't tipping for staff not making minimum wage? How about they just pay their developers properly and like you know, give them fair bonuses? Too much to ask from Blizzard these days, Kotick saw to that and is now laughing all the way to the bank.

MrDead7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

It's the t**ts at the top looking at ways to cut devs wages and get the players to tip them like waiting staff, and I'll guarantee a percentage is skimmed and kept by Activision Blizzard. This is 100% for shareholder and CEO playouts.

Popsicle7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

I have to agree with this. On the surface tipping devs sounds like a great idea, but in the end it leads to pay cuts and subsidization of pay. Tips then become an expectation or the devs “can’t make a living.” Lastly, especially in the US, tip culture has gotten out of control, and it serves as an excuse not to properly pay employees. Sounds good but doesn’t end well.

drizzom6d ago

@ Popsicle

I think your right on the nose with how much tipping has become rampant. Instead of it being a relationship directly between the customer and the developer or employee, it now has a middle man ingrained in the system. DoorDash is one example. It ends up becoming a metric where the company can measure 'just how much more money you are willing to part with' before raising the price on the main product.

1Victor7d ago

Uh so they’re trying triple dip or more we buy the game that they’re already withholding/cutting content for dlc we was told that season pass would help the developers thrive we felt for it.
Now on top of all that plus their sales bonus they want tips enough is enough whatever happens to you create/built a good game get a bonus for sales milestones you care about your game and community we reward you with more sales not for doing 3/4 of a game then save the other 1/4 for dlc and passes after

raWfodog7d ago

The 'tip' is me buying your game in the first place.

S2Killinit7d ago

Very well said. If it was possible to send the money to either the developer or some organization for the betterment of gaming, sure. But we all know that will not be the case.

Rynxie7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

No, it would go to those on the top. They will still fire developers, have a bunch of microtransactions, raise prices of games and so on.

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H98d ago

So they eventually don't pay their workers and depend on our tips to pay them like the case with waiters!

Deeeeznuuuts7d ago

That kind of practice is only normal in the states, as far as I know anyway, what a backwards system

H97d ago

No it's as well in a every country that wants to amercanize

bloop7d ago

Ireland is literally the first stop across the pond and we don't have a tipping culture. The only establishments here that would expect a tip are the tourist haunts that Americans visit. Other than that, you might tip in a restaurant as a sign of gratitude for great service and waiting staff would be paid a full wage anyway.

Rebel_Scum7d ago

Tipping is not customary iin most countries dude. Get a passport lol.

Jin_Sakai8d ago

Is this a joke? How about the big wigs giving up some of their pay for their hard working developers.

MrBaskerville7d ago

Maybe the CEO could earn his money based on tips.

mastershredder8d ago

good god. The devs are not baristas dude. Total 1% ideals. Fing Chadosaurus.

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