Knew it was coming, now they will work tirelessly to get some of the missing features

@phantomexe I wouldn't want it on Xbox anyway. Saves people the money.

That's a great video. All that hype for a completely unfinished crappy game. From 9:00 on it's pretty funny. Especially when the game keeps freezing for everyone. "Whaaaaat!?!? My game just froze again." lmao!! At least that didn't have in QB or Killzone.

Crowbcat is the best channel on YouTube.

Omg this video is well made

@Phan- "I could still defend it"

Nope. I own the game day 1 and can't defend lies bud. Its extremely clear and well documented that they lied regarding the final product. Not saying anything about the lies, is a lie. Omitting information is a LIE! Sooooo unless you have a link to the team or Sony saying those features will not be in the final game, its a lie.

Why defend something that is for a fact a lie? Sooooo defending scamming? Ummm I guess if you love scammers.

Look bud, I own the game, my PSN ID is EDMIX, I owned it day 1.....anyone who knows me on PSN, knows I played it day 1 and own the title.

This isn't a "xbox fanboy" thing buddy, its they lied and need to pay for that. Sorry but no one has yet to produce any documentation regarding this information being provided to users before the games release, stating those features would not be in the game.

Zero.

Not from the teams twitter, not from their site, not even from Sony.

Have a link?

They had zero transparency regarding those features, that is called lying. You are leaving out that what was seen before, will not be in the final game, yet you are happy to take peoples money. That is called a scam, fraud etc.

Just watched the video & the BS that is coming out his mouth is unbelievable! The game is a shame to the industry & it needs to forgotten it its own space universe never to be remembered! At 11:08 had me dying at the video!...Best song ever ''you can do anything''!

@SpringHeeledJack

£46? You can get games in the UK day 1 launch for sub-£40 easily if you look around online on sites like shopto, simplygames, thegamecollection, tesco direct (some great deals with codes like the recent 2 for £70 preorder deal) etc, even Amazon UK recently cut the price of preorders down to £37 briefly before putting the price back up again.

@ timesplitter
They do happen a lot. I think the difference is if you let that narrative continue without correcting it publicly before release. If i say the game will have a feature tlduring an interview, its to promote a game in a good light to the public. So if im wrong its only right to let them know the game isnt going to have that feature. Wasnt halo 5 said to have split screen then later on in the dev cycle it came out that it wasnt going to happen?

It's getting ridiculous. Internet hate trains are the worst.

The fact that there's no mp, nothing to do as you said not to mention a list more that wasn't in the game does warrant the hate. Especially for people like me who spent 60 dollars on this crap, so yes I rather see these guys pay some type of debt back instead of vacationing in Barbados on our dime.

I'm only for the gamer. A conman is a conman and no we shouldn't accept this anymore. Just, because scummy behavior is the norm doesn't mean we have to accept it.

That's not what they're investigating though. They're investigating if the screenshots and videos used on Steam accurately portray what was delivered in the game. Namely animal behavior and large scale battles.

Will at least be an interesting case to define the use of bull shots for marketing purposes....a fairly common industry practice.

@imalwaysright below

I agree. My biggest problem with all this isn't that people have concerns. Not that I feel that some people are being overly particular with said concerns. Not that I feel people are being way too reactionary and over-zelous with their critique(although that I do take some issue with).

It's that people are so damn inconsistent in their criticisms and holding this game to a standard which they don't hold to many other games out there. These same people so upset now will just as easily dismiss a concern for a game they actually like. They will make the same excuses that those of us supporting the game now make to defend it. But they won't ever take one second to consider just how common such practices are in the industry, that most of the people complaining now have indeed had similar complaints in the past, and they dont consider that their current zeal is much more than their zeal for the bigger issue at hand than they show in other such instances.

NMS just feels like a perfect storm, and I've never once seen lists being collected of all the "lies" that surrounded a games marketing. It's always been general disdain for the practices being critiqued here, with some articles pointing it out, and people complaining about it for maybe a week before moving on.

NMS is being made an example of...which is fine...but the denial that people have for their own inconsistent actions is disheartening, because I know they won't hold it against other games, or even correlate how they were so upset over this game when it is eventually pointed out to them.

@Ghost(keeping it short sadly)

Maybe, but I will actually discuss the valid criticisms with people who are reasonable about it. Some of the stuff people have pointed out as lies is BS...so there is that.

For the most part though, the reaction to this game has been way out of proportion to the normal reactions of other instances like this happening, which is why I've become so defensive of it....because I don't find these reactions productive.

Have to forgive me on destiny, I don't follow that game at all.

"Again already proven wrong[snip]"

In that case, I wasn't referring to you. Would encourage you to continue doing so, so long as it's productive and not exaggerated hyperbolic reactionary nonsense.

This is a case where I have to speak generally often, so my comments won't mean I actually mean every single person.

No. This needs to become a standard in this industry. Devs/publishers can't keep lying to us in order to get our money and get away with it. This is good for us, the consumer.

thank you.

false advertising IS crime. its essentially fraud. consumers need to be protected.

to defend a company who is willing to lie to you and everyone else in order to get you to part with your money is frankly idiotic and defeats all logic and reason.

@rainslacker

"These same people so upset now will just as easily dismiss a concern for a game they actually like. "

Isnt that what the people defending this game are doing? Dismissing the things that they dont feel were important, because they like the game presented. So yeah it happens but its funny how you only pointed out the people hating as being the ones who will flip flop. What if I told you all the people dismissing all the BS here will be the ones hating the next game they dont like for the same reasons. See how that works. Net neutral meaning its pointless to bring up.

"...and I've never once seen lists being collected of all the "lies" that surrounded a games marketing. " Destiny says hello, and I was a basher of that game too because I bought the damn $90 game and it was terrible and half what was advertised. I mean go look back in 2014 and look at the reddit posts with them putting the McDuck swimming through gold vault gifs, with bullet point things that were advertised and not in game. Just because this seems larger scale doesnt mean the same things didnt occure.

"...but the denial that people have for their own inconsistent actions is disheartening, because I know they won't hold it against other games..." Again already proven wrong because I bashed the crap out of Bungie and still haven't touched Destiny and so by bashing NMS I am actually BEING consistent.

Nope.

I own the game and can tell you they deserve all the hate they are getting. I mean...maybe not lie to people? What can I say...

My issue with those who are even defending this....

Soooooo its perfectly ok to scam people? What you define as a scam is what this team did. They have videos and demos of things in the game that don't exist in the final game.

They don't tell you this.

That is fraud, scam and is a crime. What are folks really trying to fight? I own the damn game....doesn't mean I suddenly don't know the law.

Many can disagree with me, I fine with that, you can call me many things, you can't question my integrity folks. Even from a game I've defended BEFORE release, but I also defended what I believed the team was going to deliver, not a lie.

Me liking the game is irrelevant and many need to detach their personal love for the game to come to a real conclusion about what this team has done. If we merely say "if blank developer does" you seriously telling me you being scammed is perfectly fine?

In what way does this help anyone that this team did this other then Hello Games?

In the US any form of advertisement cannot lie in regards to its product. For example a car that advertises it features smartphone locking door mechanism. The car must have it, same as what people eat from the menu. False advertisement in the videogame industry needs to stop. Is a US crime and apparently in the UK is illegal as well.

Yep, still remember someone tried to sue Starbuck because the ice in a ice coffee or something like that. It was so stupid just like this, freaking deal with it and move on.

yes

Exactly. Entitled whiners pi55ed cos it wasn't on their crappy console. How many other games are guilty of exactly the same practices hello games are getting pilloried for, Ubisoft being especially culpable.

Its a fuck1ng travesty.

I wonder what they'd do to Peter Molyneu or whatevr is his name these days...

That said I hope the industry learns their lesson from this fiasco that has become of No Mans Sky..

This is some insight by someone well in the know on how the ASA works. In short, it will amount to nothing of substantial prominence.

http://www.merseyremakes.co...

So much for reserving judgement until you've played it Septic. Keep up the good fight.

You know his moves...we all do.

Thanks to those who told the truth, he saved his money.

How is that a bad thing? The creator flagrantly lied, a lot.

@Kraenk12
Why do you need to buy a game and in the process of wasting $60 when that is what reviews and W.O.M are for? It is to inform us and to give us an overall idea of how the product is so it can at least stop some from being total sheeps and buy whatever game companies put out there.

Look no further than the reviews from Steam owners that actually have the games.

http://store.steampowered.c...
User reviews:
RECENT:
Overwhelmingly Negative - 11% of the 13,149 user reviews in the last 30 days are positive.

OVERALL:
Mostly Negative - 34% of the 69,271 user reviews for this game are positive.

Many of the Steam and PS4 NMS owners were suckered into the marketing hyped and promises and bought it in advanced and many I'm sure wish they could've had waited a bit longer for reviews before buying. There is a reason why the game dropped like a rock on players count and people demanding refunds.

Unless you actually works for Hello Games or Sean Murray himself, it is rediculous some of you go to defend this type of game making and advertising.

Gtfo I didn't buy I torrented and thank God I did because it was just grinding trash. If I didn't ever play it there is more than enough info to back up the game is shit so try again.

Right because anyone who has anything negative to say about this "Didnt buy the game."

Thats akin to just name calling, why not just call him a poopoo head and get it over with.

@liquid and kraenk

Yeah keep on defending bullshit. One day you might actually raise your standards...

Rainslacker, you seem like a good guy! It's refreshing here on N4G. Wish i could give you bubbles.. ;)

and as I said, I don't support it. I'm not calling out the dev, I'm calling you out for your witch hunting irrational declaration that the man has no right to make another game. I'm calling you out for being reactionary and inconsistent with your criticisms. I'm calling you out for being too obstinate in your opinion and not trying to see any other point of view. I'm calling you out for your vitriolic and childish attitudes towards this matter since day one.

I only defend because people have elevated this to near epic proportions of an example of malicious lies and unjust consumer practices, when in fact, it's nothing more than another example of the things we complain about often on here, and more often than not give a free pass to and forget about after a week. I have in fact had rational discussions on the critique with those who choose to not act the way you do, and in those cases, I have indeed held the dev accountable, and indeed spent time discussing the matter and the overall issues at hand as it pertains to the industry. But I can't do that with someone like you, because doing so, you refuse to see anything contrary which tries to put it into perspective, and instead only see what agrees with you. Nothing else is a consideration.

I believe all devs should be held accountable. I often hold them accountable for their actions across the board. Never, do i declare that they should never be allowed to make games. My critiques are about trying to make things better. Your critiques are to try and ruin a company and a man. There's a difference, and I will reiterate that of the two different methods we employ, mine is not the problem.

Thanks to blind defenders like you,we can always expect shady practices in our industry moving forward.
I bet dodgy devs like Sean at Hello games wishes more consumers were just like you,soooo easy to pull the wool over and still have you pitch in on the marketing of the game for free.

@Lurch

You don't know me, or what I stand for, despite the fact I spelled it out in a later reply to this comment.

There is no wool. I see what people are upset about. I understand why some are upset. I agree with some of the things people are upset about.

But, the problem I have is the inconsistent nature of people's hate over this, while giving other games free passes, and more so, the absolute ridiculous levels this particular matter has escalated to. in other words, I'm tired of the same things you're accusing me of doing.

My problems with the industry are many of which the same people around here are decrying, and I would love to stand behind those with reasonable concerns. But I can't, because many are going to far with their vitriol, and the whole matter has been obfuscated with manufactured ways that the developer "lied". There is plenty of valid criticisms of this case worth discussing and relating it to the overall industry and bad practices, but how is arts comment about how a dev should be ostracized due to his mistakes in any way related to the matter at hand?

I will hold developers accountable for poor decisions, misleading marketing, botched releases, and broken games. So it'd be nice if people would actually stop accusing me of being some sort of apologist for the industry and devs because of this.

I was calling out Art. It wasn't a defense of the developer, it wasn't trying to say the dev did no wrong. I was saying that he is being unreasonable and childish with his comments, and like you, can't come up with a single counter argument that doesn't involve making it about me, because he can't discuss the issue with reasonable discourse which could lead to productive changes in the industry.

So, yes, blind defenders are a problem....but what's more a problem is the double standards that people have towards the industry. that's what's happening here. You want to bitch, start complaining that art doesn't go around complaining the same for any number of other games which mislead....like I did, and then explain to him why he's a problem.

Just look at the number of disagrees to anyone who is trying to be reasonable in the discussion on these threads. They are numerous....but the only counter argument that anyone can ever come up with is, "You are the problem with the industry", and completely ignoring their own childish and reactionary behavior as if it's completely normal and acceptable, all while making declarations like people should never be allowed to work again.

Why am I the problem? Because I don't allow people to go unnoticed when they run constant hate about an issue with no reasonable discourse? I beg someone to tell me how Arts OP is reasonable. At no time, has anyone done that. But damn, people sure are making their point saying I'm the problem, and hitting that disagree button really should change my opinion on the matter.

Let's put arts OP into perspective to show how it's relevant to the industry and how he's being irrational calling for proverbial blood.

Fans of fable I'm sure wouldn't want it so Lionhead couldn't make F2/3 because of Molyneux and his over promises.

We wouldn't be getting Horizon:ZD if Guerrilla was taken down because that one guy sued Sony over the MP marketing.

It seems people are pretty damn excited for Mass Effect:A despite one's choices not really mattering one bit for the original trilogy.

So....how am I wrong to call him out, and how am I blind for doing so? I actually agree with you to a point...that people should decry bad practices. I just prefer they do it properly.

you are the reason why its normal for games to be released practically broken and unfinished.

i cant think of any other industry where its acceptable to give consumers faulty goods. its because of gamers like you that we continue to be taken for a joke.

its not acceptable to peddle hot garbage to consumers duped by a deceitful advertising campaign.

You are supporting it. Your father weak list above trying to downplay the misrepresentation by the devs is what then?

this marketing went on for years bro. Even by the same week the game was releasing they were showing fake trailers that included sand planets and giant sand worms that looked like those things from the Tremors movie. ;/

Can you even mention a game dev that has lied to us like this before?

@rainslacker

The thing is, you'rr not being reasonable, you're still defending the game, but just wording it differently so it's not that apparent. The list above you made is proof of that (you don't seem much different from other i-got-what-i-expected types).

To get your most obvious mistake out of the way, the developer is indeed a criminal. Having in mind the sum of money involved, this was a huge scam which is in fact illegal.

Second, you attack everyone who bashes the game, saying they are hypocrites. You get angry when they say that people like you are a problem in the industry, but actually they have a point. According to your logic people should never start complaining because they never complained before. See, that's illogical right there. There has to be one event that will be the base for new habits, no man's sky is that event.

Lastly, you criticize people for being the exact same person you are. You say they complain about NMS, but they give other games a free pass. That is exactly what you are doing, I'm sure you've complained about games before, but here you are giving NMS a free pass (you can state that you complain too, but this is evident by your list above). Now, I see no problem with such a behavior, the collective of gamers will never just hate or just love a game, that's irrational to expect. Some will love it, others wont. It's just logical that people won't complain about games they like (why are you even expecting something different?)

The thing with NMS is that the difference in numbers between those who like it and those who hate it is huge. If the majority feel scammed they have a right to demand an investigation. If you want to keep defending it come up with arguments that wont make you look like a hypocrite and irrational yourself.

Damn Rainslacker you love Sean Murray!

@rain, its pointless. You may as well bang your head against a wall. Logic and reason won't work against illogical and unreasonable hatred. Kudos for trying though.

All the so called aaa's that have done worse practices and got a free pass.

Its a videogame at the end of the day, you'd think Sean Murray had commited genocide judging by some of the comments.

Ridiculous.