One thing that can make me purchase this Neo. If i can play my ps3 games on it

Idiots keep saying it'll make 1080P/60 FPS possible without a problem, as if PS4 can't already utilize this. It all depends on how demanding the developers makes the game. The PS4 neo could release with a GTX titan X (Of course it wont come close) but as long as developers push and stress the GPU, it wont attain or would struggle with 1080P/60 fps. I guess only PC gamers are intelligent enough in this department.

We. Don't. Know. Wont know until the system is out.

I don't know about the Neo's power, but I just beat Until Dawn for the first time (watching credits roll) and let me tell you, holy crap its an incredible game, there were some moments that actually looked real. Video Games are seriously the best. And yes I can play it on my future Neo.

With the way technology keeps advancing, "Future Proof" is only for two to three years for consoles and about 8 months for PCs.

I can see it now.
Sony released PS4.5
Media & Gamers all current games will be 1080p/60.
Developers decide not to do that instead make 1080p/30 maybe a 60 fps here and there..
Gamers than scream: we need more powerful hsrdware.
Rinse & repeat /s

Can we stop with the PS4K articles everyday? you guys will eventually run out of things to talk about before it releases.

Interesting read, I still haven't bought my PS4 yet and was going to when Uncharted released but I decided to wait when the ps4k rumors started. If everything proves true, I'll pkup a PS4k as long as it will give better resolution and framerate. If not, I'll buy the regular PS4 and hope they'll announce a price drop for it at E3.

I confess that I miss the days when cutting edge consoles were released and you knew they would be a Badass for at least 4-5 years or more.

That's what people have to understand early on and keep your expectations in check. As resolution increase, more bandwidth and processing power is needed to push these pixels on screen at high framerates. To take the current level of games and render them in ultra hd at respectable fps takes a multiple more than 2 to accomplish this... That's not even taking into account of trying to have extremely complex Ai and physics going on at the same time.

The power is relatively better,i'm just wondering what developers are going to do.
Having a choice to upgrade your PS4 is not a bad thing,there is much more to it though.

I can see people buying this to have a cheap gaming/4k player option,will developers actually
cater to that audience though? or just give it the minimal upgraded versions of the Neo patch games.
The 4K thingy is not relevant to me personally *42" 3D 1080p TV still going strong " and that leaves
the upgraded specs as the reason to buy one,which to me is probably not worth the price tag.

According to people to this site, the ps4 is the worst console ever made and NEO is the savior that wil save gaming from years of terrbile gaming that we had to endure because we were stupid poor peasants, let's start releasing consoles every year! And of course i know i will get 40 millions dislikes because (A) You don't get mad at apple for releasing a new phone every year and (B) options are good, if you choose between getting screwed or stabbed it's good to have options and (C) you are not allowed to speak because sony is GOD and whatever they are doing it's for the good of us mortals

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

I have also been told these are pretty much the specs so if you overclock the CPU and GPU, then they will be on par with each other

I would love to see a GTA 6 on ps4 Neo with enhanced graphics of course.

If the PlayStation 4 Neo leverages AMD's new 14nm FinFET Polaris 10 Ellesmere tech, it'll be a huge jump in performance. Keep in mind this won't be a discrete GPU, so we won't see the proper blast-off jump that desktops will see, but it's still going to be significant.

We're talking easy native 1080P 60FPS on -all- games, and giving developers much more graphics horsepower to flex their games. The console's GPU will draw significantly less power, further adding efficiency across the board. That means the console can be smaller and more compact, and Sony can save money on fans and the like (not that the PS4 has a great fan to begin with, as the thing gets goddamned hot).

And that's only the graphics upgrades; the entire system is getting boosts, so it'll be a big leap forward.

If all they do is slightly over clock the CPU and RAM they're not going to be hitting 1080p60 in all games on top of adding in other graphical niceties.

Let's over clock that CPU..for more power, let's add in a more powerful GPU on the Die...also let's tweak the bandwidth.. And we can use the existing heat dissipate method..

LMAO......

And people are gullible to believe this?
Like I have been saying..Sony under clocks their CPU's , not Over clock's..
If you know electrical engineering you would already know why.

So did Sony purposely underclock the current CPU? Or are they just overclocking it?

LMAO

This whole Playstation 4.5 I doubt would be using the same CPU just a better GPU core on the die with tweaked connection Bus's..it would be a brand new CPU..which just would not be the current CPU just over clocked.. Why? Because you are spending just as much in design on this tweaked chip than just use the next upgraded chip in the series and alter it. Instead..

Now you have to account for far larger heat dissipate material, which will only increase size of fan, and passive pipe cooling ..which Also increase the size of the case to accommodate the new passive heat and heat dissipate material if you do not want to accelerate the time of the chip being slagged to where its resistance fails and thus needing a replacement.

Overclocking without better heat dissipate material and passive cooling will kill your SOC faster than what the current heat dissipate material is rated for. That increases your cost..

Sony has never done this..for a very good number reasons.
Jumping from 1.6 GHz to 2.1 GHz
But Microsoft only over clocked their systems CPU by just 100MHz? But Sony would over clock its current CPU by over 400 MHz+ Added?

So which is it?
The leaked Documents say its the same CPU just over clocked.
So that would be since the very start the PS4 CPU was always rated as 2.1 GHz and that the heat Dissipate material was already in place to handle this increased heat.

Or

Sony took to engineering and redesigned along with AMD in this new Soc..thus increasing costs but yet only going to charge $100.00 more for the over all system with all the engineering costs involved and the cost in increased heat dissipate material in side it along with a more powerful GPU?
And they think only $100.00 is going to net this for the upgrade...yes because Sony wants to take a loss on every PS4.5 Neo off the bat for selling the system? When Sony has been selling every PS4 @ profit since day one?

Has gamers lost their d@mn mind?
LMAO

But.but..I over clock my PC all the time..and again game console's are not PC's..they are Embedded systems!
You do not get to access your consoles BiOS, and get to manage the game consoles temp ratings like a PC. You over clock your CPU without the ability to dissipate that excess heat adequately. Means you will burn out that CPU faster than its rating allowed.

These leaked documents that the gamer media has paraphrases the Documents from Sony they have seen, but yet none of the Sony actual Documents have been publicly leaked.
Hmmm?

If nothing happens before fall or on or after E3 what then?

Will gamers than have to look forward to now 2017 for the so called PS4.5?
I have a very strong gut feeling , this media leak was meant simply stall the sales of the current PS4 to try to keep fence sitting gamers from not purchasing a new PS4 for this fall.

I don't think they are going for a massive gap alienating their audience. This isn't a generation leap it's more of a Nintendo style XL or "New" console revision like they've done with the 3ds. Sony are now just applying this to home console they did sort of do this previously with the PSX it wasn't a PS3 it was just a pimped PS2 with some extra bells and whistles and features, I think that's what is the aim for ps4.5/Neo just refining what they already have and making a pretty fantastic console already even better for those who like to have the best of the best... I wait for a list of confirmed features but I'll prob end up jumping on it at some point, may wait for a special edition or something tho and if it's all streaming related upgrade features I won't be that bothered smaller quieter more efficient on power and quicker loading times etc that'll be what gets me but until anything is confirmed I'll just enjoy what I've got as it's pretty great in its current state and now the games are arriving Uncharted Doom and No Mans... Can't wait.

It would be wise to wait for an official announcement before wasting thinking on illusory theories.

im certain nobody on here knows, lets just wait until it comes out and see. All we can do is speculate based on what is possible.

There is no need for ANY PS4 NEO Geo 4.5 4K Machine ... look what your shitty, old, fugly and fat as fuck PS4 from 2013 is capable off rending (¡¡¡¡UNCHA RTED 4 SPOILERS!!!!)

Photorealism with only ~2 Teraflops
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Just looking good
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Remember these are JPGS! PNG look a bit better. No need for any PS4.5k .. .just tell those LAZY developers to not over budget or waste resources on stuff nobody will notice while gaming. If they cared enough, every game would run at 1080p 60fps (with slighlty lower polycount for npc, objects etc..., not sure why stationary cars and other unmovable objects require 50k polygons).

Sometimes i wonder if some these "iconic" figures have not hit their Zenit long time ago and havent noticed yet, that they´re falling down the hill (like Peter Molyneux, CEO of Ubisoft taling about "losing Originality" etc..). If you take your time and priorities your taks/goals you can get a good (while heavily prebaked) looking game even on the XB1 running at 1080/60fps (Forza 6).

I'm all down with content parity, but if the Neo would be able to handle a VR version, but the original wouldn't, I would want a VR option on the Neo.

Well done sony.Nice specs for 2010.Even working with a 100$ laptop makes me each month money,enough to buy a useless device as a console,which offers nothing new,and offers maybe 5% of what a device which is calles Personal Computer does.

I think the jump is very low. The CPU is still crap. The increase bandwitch is low, the jump on the GPU is nice, but not groundbreaking.

Poor article written by a blatant PC Master race simpleton. Not worth a read.

Why would sony not jhst confirm or completely deny this already. I wanted to get a PS4 this month for uncharted but if this is real i don't want to get screwed over like 30 million other people.

More than double the gpu here means games that ran 1080p/30 fps with few dips (by far the majority of ps4 games) will now reach 1440p/30 fps locked. Sounds awesome. Or possibly 1080p/60 fps locked if the devs deem it a better option. I'm fine with either of those being an owner of a new 4K set.

this has been done mainly because of vr, yoy need high frame rate to have a decent experience, 60 fps is a bare minimum

Excellent, informative technical write-up. Thanks!

We already know the specs including percentage increases.
Most important is the GPU is like 2.5x increase, which is a lot.

Hope it's can compete with high end pcs. It'll be a definite buy for me.

There will be little to no gains. Developers won't be using it to offer greater improvements in game except possibly Sony first party studios. The specs improvement will be to better play 4k video content, and will include support for higher capacity blurays which are required for 4k bluray.

Getting one regardless.... 4K playback is becoming the norm...

powerful enough to make pc nerds sweat obviously

Glad to hear Sony is making sure that all games run the same for both ps4 and ps4 neo in terms of frame rates. Happy with my ps4 however if Sony can somehow have a trade in system where out of pocket all i would be spending would be around $150, then i think some gamer's may be more open to the idea of getting a newer slightly better system. However seeing how 4k is right around the corner in terms of 4k movie players, this upgrade would make sense for people who enjoy owning 4k movies or who would like to get future proof. That being said,does anyone think this bump in an upgrade would delay the ps5 or should say "well its already 2016, ps4 neo isnt that much of a leap from my ps4 should i just wait 2 years and hold off for the ps5"?

I think the IPC may be a little weak, but it all depends in the documention, and if they are getting more , and more to improve documentation to run code on these cpus. I think it would be nice if they could get it to around 2.5ghz, but with the heat that may generate it may not be possible. I personally would rather both Sony and Microsoft released a fresh, much more powerful system. I'm not really wanting to invest in a slight upgrade.

NOBODY KNOWS!

There are no GPUs made by AMD that offer 4k with the TDP and thermal range of consoles. consoles gamers are asking for a miracle from AMD.

They need to be focusing on VR not a new ps4. They have me worried that VR will turn out like the vita. History says sony can't focus on two things at once. Sony needs to listen to developers and publishers and hold off.

I'm keeping my original PS4..period.