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Why Superman Fans Can Stop Worrying About 'Batman V Superman' Movie

Forbes

Ever since the announcement last year that the sequel to Warner Bros.’ Superman reboot movie Man of Steel would include Batman, Superman fans have been chomping at the bit and worrying about what will happen to the character’s cinematic franchise. The subsequent announcement of Wonder Woman’s presence in the film, as well as the inclusion of Victor Stone (aka the superhero Cyborg) and possible cameos by Dick Grayson (aka former Batman sidekick Robin turned solo adventurer Nightwing) and other superheroes, only increased the concern. When the official title was announced as Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, these fans pointed to it as proof that Batman is dominating the movie while Superman gets shabby treatment, and some of them even argue that the subtitle Dawn of Justice implies Batman showing up represents “justice” against Superman.

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SilentNegotiator1285d ago (Edited 1285d ago )

Real Superman fans (not the people who defended the last film by boiling down Superman's entire character as "flying alien that punches stuff" for its lack of story logic and substance) should be worried with Goyer and Snyder still involved.

Porcelain_Chicken1285d ago

If "flying alien that punches stuff" is all you took from it then you kinda missed the entire point. There was alot of good stuff in there. Sure the script was a bit stiff here & there but this is the closest movies have gotten to the Superman mythos. As much as i love Donner's first 2 films, he kinda put a false image in everyones head. That Superman is a perfect boy scout who makes 0 mistakes and who's greatest villain poses no threat and escapes prison on hot air balloons. With Man of Steel we got a Superman that makes mistakes and is forced to live with those mistakes. We get a Superman who chose his adopted world over his native one. He chose humanity despite all the cruelty he suffered as a child. He's becoming that beacon of hope!!!

Like i said, the script was stiff but the storyline had some cool stuff in it. The script should be better next time around with Chris Terrio doing rewrites.

SilentNegotiator1284d ago

[spoilers]

It had some cool stuff in it FOR TRAILERS, yes. Cool tidbits.

But the plot was ridiculous: Jor-el shoots their race's only hope through space because he doesn't want Zod limiting which genetic lines are allowed to live (a weak attempt to connect Zod with primal villain Hitler; except Hitler wasn't fighting against people that were LITERALLY destroying the planet), Zod is out to terraform a planet that gives his race super powers into the more harsh environment of Krypton (they even say that Kryton has less fertile land and such), and then Superman kills Zod over a group of people that could have walked out of the way of his heat vision.

The characters had little personality: Faora tells Superman that he will be defeated because he has compassion/"morality" ; like she's some sort of robot, Lois shows personality for about one scene before becoming a plot convenience for the rest of the film, Superman himself is a little on the bland side, and Zod's personality is "GRRR!"

There's a couple of interesting lines and parts in the film, but it doesn't make up for such a weak plot and lame characters.

maniacmayhem1284d ago (Edited 1284d ago )

@Silent

"Jor-el shoots their race's only hope through space because he doesn't want Zod limiting which genetic lines..."

Jor-El stated that their race is lost, they had become too self absorbed and it is implied that most Kryptons were instilling "aristocrat" like destinies for their children using the codec. No farmers, builders or anything that would help the planet grow. This is why Jor-El wanted his son born naturally.

"Zod is out to terraform a planet that gives his race super powers into the more harsh environment of Krypton."

I never saw Krypton as a harsh environment, if anything Earth would have been harsh for Kryptonians when they didn't have their suits on. It was mentioned that Clark as a baby had extreme breathing problems and it almost looked like he would die as an infant. Not to mention the pain he went through as a child when his powers were developing. Zod even says this to Jor-El, that he doesn't want Krypton's children going through what Jor-El did and this is why he wants to terraform the planet.

Faora is a soldier, so basically yes, she is a robot. She's cold and brutal and only follows the general's orders.

Zod was great, his motivations were awesome as suppose to Superman II's Zod who just wanted to take over the world. Which was even made fun of because when he did he was sitting in the White House bored afterwards.

My problem is Man of Steel didn't develop Superman's character enough. We still don't enough of the character's personality as most of the movie was just him on a journey and BLAM, now he's fighting bad guys. A lone sequel could have made up for this but now with them shoe horning Batman and Wonder Woman in, that is out the window as we will never get another proper Superman movie ever again.

Porcelain_Chicken1284d ago

"Zod is out to terraform a planet that gives his race super powers into the more harsh environment of Krypton"

Of course!!! He was made for the soul purpose of ensuring Kryptons survival! Kryptononians are MADE with a pre-set mind set and a pre-set job. "My very existence, is for my people". He was basically a robot. Jor-el wanted something different for his son. He didn't want his entire life to be pre-determined. Kryptonians were to stubborn to even save themselves. In short Jor-el ensured Krypton lived, even if it was just through Clark. How'd you miss all of that?

"Zod is out to terraform a planet that gives his race super powers into the more harsh environment of Krypton"

Once again. Zod doesn't care! And why would you need super powers in a completely controllable society?

"and then Superman kills Zod over a group of people"

*Facepalm*

Yeah dude, because Zods rage would be quelled after killing that 1 family right? He'd call it even & leave? Also that scene was waaaaaaaay more than that, again, the point flew over your head completely. Superman chose us! The family (in a way), represented humans, and Zod was (Krypton, or at least the last of Krypton). He chose us over his own people going as far as to murder the last surviving member of his race! Murdering the last hope of bringing Krypton back.

"Faora tells Superman that he will be defeated because he has compassion/"morality" ; ; like she's some sort of robot,"

... you know i'm starting to think you fell asleep every 5 minutes throughout the movie.

"Lois shows personality for about one scene before becoming a plot convenience for the rest of the film"

Agree completely. See what happens when you stay awake?

SilentNegotiator1284d ago

"In short Jor-el ensured Krypton lived, even if it was just through Clark. How'd you miss all of that?"

I said "Jor-el shoots their race's only hope through space because he doesn't want Zod limiting which genetic lines..." How did you miss THAT?

"Of course!!! He was made for the soul purpose of ensuring Kryptons survival! Kryptononians are MADE with a pre-set mind set and a pre-set job. "My very existence, is for my people". He was basically a robot"

Then explain Jor-el. Explain why there's so much conflict on Krypton if everyone is robot minded. Zod having a completely single mind with no logic whatsoever might be plot convenient but it makes a very boring villain. And no superhero is complete without well done supervillains.

""and then Superman kills Zod over a group of people" *Facepalm*"

Take quotes out of context much? The whole point is that he made the decision at such a low point. The family is "trapped" between an exit and a heat beam 10 feet away and Superman doesn't so much as say "move!"

Porcelain_Chicken1284d ago

What ^^^ maniacmayhem said...

Vames1284d ago

I've been saying for a long time that this movie is not a Man of Steel sequel, but the Superman fanboys just lack the brain waves to realize this.

If what is being said is true, then it would be welcomed in my eyes. A massive Justice League story told in several Justice League movies, then move from there to continue the standalone films.

SilentNegotiator1284d ago (Edited 1284d ago )

It doesn't matter if it's technically a sequel or not; a lot of the same people are involved so similar dangers of a bad story are involved.

xXBlondieVanHarlowXx1284d ago

Look up the word sequel in a dictionary then come back. In short,

It's A sequel to Man of Steel. Calling people dumb when you yourself made such a trivial mistake is pretty sad.